| Sometimes the trick is to realize that God being present or not present is not dependent on how you feel (ie connected vs abandoned, open vs stressed, happy vs miserable). That's a trick of our own "ego" - to label the nice open connected feeling as "Oh, God's here again". He is always present, no matter how you happen to feel. In a sense, I believe, recognizing mercy and forgiveness is tied to recognizing that God *includes* the war zone, the abandonment, the stress, and all other forms of suffering. They are not in opposition to him, because his mercy is infinite. (Your mileage may vary, as they say, but this was an important recognition for me.) |
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| Yes, absolutely. God hidden or cloaked is still God, still present. And everything that happens emerges from him at some level. But the felt sense is nice, eh?
No doubt such pure faith without sense is more transformative. |
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| I'm not sure I agree the felt sense arises from the Self, Ona. Perhaps to an extent, because it's the Self that senses. But it's not a sense OF Self. Initially, it's given as consolation, but develops through the transformative process into an almost continual resting in love as Presence, where the Self is absorbed in the Beloved. There is the danger of constructing an image of God around that sensation, especally early on, but I think the 'I' transforms into a kind of receptive, open vessel that allows itself to be formed by God, by having God formed IN it.
You're right that we can't rely on the feeling though, because it's faith that allows God to be Present to us in transforming union. |
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| quote: Originally posted by KundaliniTherapist:
... In Tibetan Buddhism there is the practice of giving and taking (tonglen)where we actively and willingly take away suffering from others, take it on ourselves and send love and happiness back.
A friend of mine worked as a healer with a busy practice and this practice is how she healed numerous people - people came to her from all over the country. She had a heart-attack with 42 and died of bone cancer a few years later. Go figure!
I have heard many similar stories, only that realised masters do not die from what they take on. They somehow transform the suffering in themselves. I think having awakened kundalini helps with that. "
I am so sorry & shocked to hear about your friend's death, & that of so many others. Do people enter into this practice knowing they can die from the practice? How did it became ok for people to die from this practice.?
Under no circumstances was this the understanding of the person i worked with.
Life was precious. Better to become enlightened
first before helping others than to die doing
practices that could hurt oneself and possibly
the clients.
Tara
"Christ has done the same in the biggest way possible, to my understanding, and has 'died for our sins'. All the saints I have read about have been called to follow in his foot steps and join into his suffering for the sins of others. It seems to be the main way in Christianity if you go more deeply into the identification with Christ. (Correct me if I am wrong)
At this point Tara, i'm still learning myself & can only say a little. Sharing in Jesus's sufferings is not the same as being Jesus who is doing the healing. This is where i see the difference. |
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| quote: Originally posted by Ona:
So in a strange and unexpected way, as we engage with our own suffering (anxieties, difficulties, emotional wounds, fears, etc)and come to understand ourselves more deeply, we become more and more capable of understanding divine love.
Is that helpful?
Hi Ona If i may change your words a little knowing about sin is foundational for this work. Thanks |
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| quote: I am so sorry & shocked to hear about your friend's death, & that of so many others. Do people enter into this practice knowing they can die from the practice? How did it became ok for people to die from this practice.?
No, it absolutely NOT taught like this and my friend certainly did not see any risk doing this practice. It made her quite affluent actually as she was earning lots of money. I cannot prove either that this practice was what made her die. Who is to say? I have, however, heard similar stories and I myself have literally taken on pain from my son when he was young and often suffered from tummy aches and could not sleep. I visualised his pain going from him to me - he feel asleep and I had some cramps in my stomach for a few hours. So, taking on suffering from others can be very real and literal and one should take that into consideration before engaging in this path of practice.
Tara - find more help for kundalini problems on my website taraspringett.com/kundalini/kundalini-syndrome
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| Ona,
As regards surrender, I'm totally with you. It's been a major part of my growth too. Somehow it connects us to Gethsemane: "Nevertheless not my will, but thine be done..."
And the cross:
"Into YOUR hands..."
The process of death and resurrection is continual. And surrender is crucial. But we can enjoy the fruits of resurrection and ascension without attachment or craving.
My own struggle involves spiritual warfare though, and there comes a time when we have to be more proactive against negativity and evil. So while we surrender to what happens, our intention can be fixed to improve our situation and end our suffering... both parts working together - the active and passive. Somewhere between the two is that area of free will. |
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| I don't really have any, Ona. Thanks for the tip on Unseen Warfare. I downloaded the PDF. |
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| Hi Tara
concentration difficul presently as it makes me feel like throwing up. Alot of energy in my head. Feels like an opening in my whole forehead,
crown & back of head eyes, ears especially, & increased in other areas of body. Will see if
yoga will be grounding?? |
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| After i last posted i thought why did i do that.
God knows everything about me & so i asked him
what do you want me to do as this is part of your plan for me. I heard keep up the devotional work & do physical work. So i did &
while energy is still high all is well. |
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| quote: Originally posted by Mary Sue:
After i last posted i thought why did i do that.
Perhaps God wanted someone called Mary to mention God in a Kundalini sub forum on a Christian website so that someone out there needing help might find this place with their search engine. You never know.  |
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