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Hi Mary Sue I am on holiday in France, so will keep this short: if there is too much energy in any part of the body you must NOT focus on that body part but on another body part. Often it works to focus on the navel, which will draw the energy down or do indeed physical work as this will draw energy into other body parts. Will be back in 10 days to answer more questions. Tara - find more help for kundalini problems on my website taraspringett.com/kundalini/kundalini-syndrome | ||||
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by KundaliniTherapist: So, you can look at inner experiences or explore them but you should never ever let them be boss. Because if you do you will be in trouble and taken over by forces that you cannot control anymore if you have given them free reign." Tara could you please go into this a little more. What are these forces. I've started saying no to abilities I don't want regularly.This message has been edited. Last edited by: Mary Sue, | ||||
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Mary Sue people can have a multitude of experienses e.g. energy coming in visions poltergeist phenomena divine visitations etc. etc. The point I am making is not to give these experiences power. See them for what they are - 'inner experiences'. Do not make them real, even if they feel real. Always stay connected with the fact, that the only 'real fact' is that you are experiencing something. Then take from your experiences what you can use and dismiss the rest with a shoulder shrug. That is what I call 'being the boss'. YOU decide - NOT the experience. Tara - find more help for kundalini problems on my website taraspringett.com/kundalini/kundalini-syndrome | ||||
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Tara thank you for the clarification. | ||||
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Here is 30 minutes of Bonnie Greenwell asking Adyashanti question about this subject in 2002: https://soundcloud.com/lindacc...iews-adyashanti-2002 | ||||
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Great interview and exchange! Thanks for posting, and connecting it with this part of what was a long, rambling discussion. I mostly agree with Adyashanti's point that Zen seems more focused on a spiritual state of consciousness -- enlightenment, or whatever we want to call it. They don't make a big fuss about Kundalini, but I think they also miss out on the healing and integrative aspects of K as well. Sometimes it seems to me that Zen is excessively focused on the spiritual to the neglect of the body. I think Jim Arraj (a Catholic and a zen practitioner) said it best about the relationship between enlightenment and kundalini. - see https://shalomplace.org/eve/for.../25010765/m/87210765
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Phil, what does that guy mean when he says he realizes that "I" is always "beyond" the humanity and mind? Beyond the character in the dream? Thatthe humanity and mind is like a suit he wears and takes off? That sounds like Hindu Atman or something. I thought Buddhists believe we just disappear and cease to be and that is enlightenment. Is he referring to identification with the human spirit, as you seem to suggest? Man, this stuff is so confusing for someone who has not experienced any of this. Like a man born blind trying to understand colour from the descriptions of those who can see, so I understand it's hard to explain. But what are they talking about? Do they or do they not believe in: a) An individual spirit/person b) Existence beyond the body? That is in eternal existence or in extinguishment? After listen to that guy, I'm confused about what the claim is. | ||||
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St. Rubia, are you referring to something Adyashanti said in the interview with Bonnie? If so, do you have the exact quote? Not, it wouldn't make sense to say that "I" is beyond "the humanity and mind," except if he is implying that the "I" of awareness transcends the contents of consciousness. That's obvious enough. | ||||
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Audrey Wetherell Johnson, founder of the Bible Study Fellowship, describes an encounter with a "tingling power" in her autobiography, Created for Commitment (Tyndale House, 1982) on pages 59-60. A Christian evangelist and author she calls "Mr. W." asked her to pray with him. While she had her eyes closed, he snuck up on her and placed his hands on her head. She then felt a "tingling power" start from her head and work its way down through her body. Though she felt an urge to surrender to this power, she prayed: "Lord, if this is of You, I yield. If not, I claim the precious blood of Christ to cover me. Help me!" At this prayer, the "tingling power" vanished. Mr. W. must have felt something, too, since he looked shocked and withdrew. | ||||
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Very good example, Derek, of this kind of phenomenon, and how to deal with it. Thanks for sharing. | ||||
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Another possible Christian shaktipat, this time with a happy ending. Tony Moo, before he became known as Mooji, was visited by his Christian friend, Michael.
Read more at http://conscious.tv/text/14.htmThis message has been edited. Last edited by: Derek, | ||||
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I think this happens a lot, especially in pentecostal circles. The practice of laying on of hands goes back to the early Church, and for the longest time, bishops gave a light slap on the cheek to people being Confirmed. Shaktipat seems to be a way of intentionally transmitting an energy of consciousness to another, but the question is, "whose energy"? This is a danger even in Christianity, although consecrating the practice of laying on of hands to Christ invokes the Holy Spirit, as do the traditional uses of this practice in Sacramental celebrations. The practice of reiki might even be a mild form of shaktipat. It seems that in any case, some measure of openness is required of the receiver. We can't go around zapping people with our energy against their will. | ||||
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I listened to the whole interview. Interesting, that Mooji went through the Christian tradition and the experience of "presence" and "sitting on the lap of God" towards the "vast expanse" of no-self experienced in India... He doesn't say much about that and there is a lot of various paths leading towards the same, but he says that he didn't completely lost the sense of this Presence and some relationship with personal God, even though he certainly passed into no-self kind of enlightenment state. | ||||
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Yes. His experience of the Presence of God reminded me of the doctrine of the Indwelling Trinity, "We will come to him and make our dwelling in him" (John 14:23). Also reminded me of many passages from St. John of the Cross, e.g., "Divine calm and peace will be infused into his soul, together with a wondrous and sublime knowledge of God, enfolded in Divine love" (AMC 2.15.5). I didn't know that Mooji was essentially an evangelical Christian until he was in his thirties, raised in a culture where no one ever needed to ask, "Do you believe in God?" And it was very sweet and innocent of him when he visited Watkins bookstore in London and selected a volume (which turned out to be by Ramana Maharshi) on the grounds that it was the smallest book they had! | ||||
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Hi All, Thank you all for your great sharing as it is very, very helpful. I'm fairly new to this forum, but wanted to share a bit of my kundalini experience. This thread is rather long, and I skipped from page 4 to 16, so please forgive me if I'm disrupting the discussion flow. I'm 56 years old now, and started Centering Prayer at 29. I had no religious upbringing or orientation. For 6 years I practiced Centering Prayer, then felt a strong impulse to do more intensive practice for about 6 months prior to the "K" awakening. As stated in the beginning of this thread, I had a strong desire to break out of my ego so that I could experience love, and was seeking guidance in this process from God. My main symptoms were tingling throughout my body which was like feeling my blood coursing through my veins. There were surges of power-like feelings up my spine, and lots of extremity shaking with episodes of diarrhea. Not many visions - thankfully - just a lot of fear and anxiety from not understanding what was happening. A few other things happened that I don't believe have been mentioned so far, but were quite disturbing. First, I began to vomit any time I thought of love. At 5'7" I went from 125 pounds down to 95 pounds pretty quickly. Second, I experienced extreme disorientation. At one point I had a brief experience of touching a tabletop with my hand but was not able to distinquish any separation between the two. Lots of touching things around me after that in order to re-establish some external orientation. Recently I read that CG Jung had to do the same thing in his encounter with the unconscious. I was blessed to find a psychiatrist that had lived for two years in an ashram under a true spiritual master prior to going to medical school. She understood what was happening and encouraged me to relax into the process. The kundalini for me lasted about one year, until my psychiatrist asked me the magic question: "If you could stop what was happening to you, would you?" I immediately answered "NO!" At that point the energy almost immediately stopped. Three months after the kundalini subsided, I had a brief resurgence when reading some spiritual material. At that point I had learned to very gently breath into the energy and let it vibrate: breathing in I deeply felt the energy; breathing out I completely relaxed. Energy gone in just a few minutes. No meditation in the intervening years because I was so afraid of triggering another episode. Just recently started back to Lectio Divina, which is going well. Only occasional pleasant vibrations during short periods of quiet prayer. Definitely feel the energy could recur if I went too deeply in any type of meditation. I hope this helps you document the various experiences. | ||||
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