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Originally posted by BlissInTheHeart:
Shasha,

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I'm really trying to understand and benefit from your experience.

Really ?

Unfortunately, reading all you old postigs here on this forum, i have rather the impression that you play here the role of a strict attorney against "false gods", and i feel myself here pushed into the unguilty corner of the "attorney diaboly" where i definately do not want to be. I simply want help, thats all !
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So, maybe a few weeks later, i will answer to your posting here.

May the Christ bless you

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Originally posted by Phil:
I think the point I've heard Bliss making on this thread and others is that demons seem especially intent on derailing people who are making spiritual progress, and that K process can be a force in the service of such progress. I can surely go along with that while affirming the dangers of seeking shaktipat from gurus who call on Hindu deities for assistance. There is a possible danger, though it's difficult to know for sure without looking into the consequences of their work. Where we see the fruits of the Holy Spirit, we can be sure that the Holy Spirit has been at work.
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Phil, I think there's more going on than that, isn't there? Is it by virtue of *making spiritual progress* that incites demons or is it because through kundalini energy, one is just generally more open to the demonic? That's what I thought Bliss was getting at in his responses above, but I dunno.

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Originally posted by Shasha:

Phil, I think there's more going on than that, isn't there? Is it by virtue of *making spiritual progress* that incites demons or is it because through kundalini energy, one is just generally more open to the demonic? That's what I thought Bliss was getting at in his responses above, but I dunno.

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Originally posted by BlissInTheHeart:
Shasha,

It is not like you write here !
Look back on site 1 of this thread, look at my first answer to Aviela. With no word i mentioned here Hinduisme ! It was you then who concluded .. concluded... concluded .... and finally you were at your favorite issue "false gods" again

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Originally posted by myfutureself:

While I believe Satan certainly can overtly attack someone and I'm sure it does happen, I think this idea that those who are intent on making spiritual progress are big targets for demonic attacks is in a lot of cases, more about the ego of the person making said spiritual progress, than anything else. That said, the irony is that the real spiritual attack is more likely in the weird self-important feeling of pride one might feel in thinking he is a target of THE DEVIL, rather than what is believed, on the surface, to be an attack. One of course combats this kind of evil, as we combat every evil, with virtue. Specifically, the virtue of humility is employed, which lets us see ourselves as we truly are, God as He truly is, and the reality of any other spirits as they truly are as well.

I can't speak to Hinduism specifically, but I'm familiar with people who have gone after one form or another of "self-evolution" apart from the Logos, and what I typically see is spiritual retardation because of this same self-important, delusional attitude. I suppose what makes these people dangerous is that they can be charismatic (because doing certain exercises, regardless of spiritual growth, simply increases charisma) and lead other people into the same dreamworld where they too end up thinking they're extra special and so on. When looked at clearly from the outside, the state resembles a form of madness more than anything, which is sad. I tend to agree with Phil, in that this type of niche insanity is much less of a problem than the normal brand of crazy which populates the world, i.e. people who ignore the spiritual all together in favor of the current culture.

That said, the people affected by it often start out seeking *something* genuine, even if they don't know what it is. The common denominator seems to be some kind of emotional instability, a hole that is filled by the spiritual feeling of importance that is gained by the presumption of being special and evolved. As Christians we know it's Christ who moves us and drives us and perfects us, and if we don't lose sight of that fact then we tend not to take too much credit for any progress we make, which goes a long way toward making sure we're not using our spirituality as an emotional crutch.

It seems that it's when we begin to believe that WE are the source of our specialness, and not Christ, that we in fact reject and blaspheme the Holy Spirit, and remove ourselves from the state of grace which is offered to us freely by God.

Paul

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In any case, I am truly sorry that I have offended you, Bliss. I think my insensitivity has struck again, unfortunately, as I see that I am coming across as overbearing and perhaps superficial/sarcastic. I appreciate your candor and hope we work toward creating an atmosphere of mutual respect and safety.

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What is funny is that Shiva and I are very close good friends and he is not actually a god. He is a very advanced yogi that has been around for several thousand or more years and still lives on this planet in physical form.