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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Shasha:
[QB] Dear Ajoy,
Perhaps you can share more about how your path resonates with the teachings of Matthew Fox if you want. And/or I'd be interested in knowing whether you feel that fear has any place at all in relation to our spiritual development. Perhaps another thread could be started.

Hello Shasha:

Gave myself a couple days to sit with your comments. Your question about fear within spiritual development has been a really interesting question for me. Fear is part of the human condition. However when religious practices and beliefs are used as a way to produce fear it is another issue.

It would be something i'd like to discuss. It is likely to be a slow process for me. I need to read through Christian Mysteries first.

So, for me some of the conclusions Matthew Fox has arrived at are some that i have also come to.

Also Shasha, if you are experiencing fear in regards to your experiences of the Eastern religions i am open to discuss this also.

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Just catching up on this very active thread, and having no experience with Fox, prefer to listen.

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Dear Ajoy,

I have to give myself some time, too, to think /feel my way around this issue of whether fear has a place on our spiritual paths. The 'new age' mentality seems to outright denounce all fear as oppositional to spiritual growth, there is nothing to fear, etc.

But what about discerning decieving spirits? and the development of morality? Aren't there healthy forms of fear? Is it possible?

Anyway, I'm not yet so moved to initiate a new thread on this subject at this time, but would join a discussion if anybody else wanted to.

much peace to you all,
in Christ,

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please redirect me if this is an innapproriate thread. more questions!!!

today I attended a 7th day adventist church, it was v inviting and welcoming. I was not really aware of heir specific take on things but the speaker talked about the emerging church movent and why he thought it was unsound. what are people thoughts on this?

secondly this is the text from part of a q and a section from a 7th day adventists website...

24. Christ's Ministry in the Heavenly Sanctuary:
There is a sanctuary in heaven, the true tabernacle which the Lord set up and not man. In it Christ ministers on our behalf, making available to believers the benefits of His atoning sacrifice offered once for all on the cross. He was inaugurated as our great High Priest and began His intercessory ministry at the time of His ascension. In 1844, at the end of the prophetic period of 2300 days, He entered the second and last phase of His atoning ministry. It is a work of investigative judgment which is part of the ultimate disposition of all sin, typified by the cleansing of the ancient Hebrew sanctuary on the Day of Atonement. In that typical service the sanctuary was cleansed with the blood of animal sacrifices, but the heavenly things are purified with the perfect sacrifice of the blood of Jesus. The investigative judgment reveals to heavenly intelligences who among the dead are asleep in Christ and therefore, in Him, are deemed worthy to have part in the first resurrection. It also makes manifest who among the living are abiding in Christ, keeping the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus, and in Him, therefore, are ready for translation into His everlasting kingdom. This judgment vindicates the justice of God in saving those who believe in Jesus. It declares that those who have remained loyal to God shall receive the kingdom. The completion of this ministry of Christ will mark the close of human probation before the Second Advent. (Heb. 8:1-5; 4:14-16; 9:11-28; 10:19-22; 1:3; 2:16, 17; Dan. 7:9-27; 8:13, 14; 9:24-27; Num. 14:34; Eze. 4:6; Lev. 16; Rev. 14:6, 7; 20:12; 14:12; 22:12.)

25. Second Coming of Christ:
The second coming of Christ is the blessed hope of the church, the grand climax of the gospel. The Saviour's coming will be literal, personal, visible, and worldwide. When He returns, the righteous dead will be resurrected, and together with the righteous living will be glorified and taken to heaven, but the unrighteous will die. The almost complete fulfillment of most lines of prophecy, together with the present condition of the world, indicates that Christ's coming is imminent. The time of that event has not been revealed, and we are therefore exhorted to be ready at all times. (Titus 2:13; Heb. 9:28; John 14:1-3; Acts 1:9-11; Matt. 24:14; Rev. 1:7; Matt. 24:43, 44; 1 Thess. 4:13-18; 1 Cor. 15:51-54; 2 Thess. 1:7-10; 2:8; Rev. 14:14-20; 19:11-21; Matt. 24; Mark 13; Luke 21; 2 Tim. 3:1-5; 1 Thess. 5:1-6.)

26. Death and Resurrection:
The wages of sin is death. But God, who alone is immortal, will grant eternal life to His redeemed. Until that day death is an unconscious state for all people. When Christ, who is our life, appears, the resurrected righteous and the living righteous will be glorified and caught up to meet their Lord. The second resurrection, the resurrection of the unrighteous, will take place a thousand years later. (Rom. 6:23; 1 Tim. 6:15, 16; Eccl. 9:5, 6; Ps. 146:3, 4; John 11:11-14; Col. 3:4; 1 Cor. 15:51-54; 1 Thess. 4:13-17; John 5:28, 29; Rev. 20:1-10.)

27. Millennium and the End of Sin:
The millennium is the thousand-year reign of Christ with His saints in heaven between the first and second resurrections. During this time the wicked dead will be judged; the earth will be utterly desolate, without living human inhabitants, but occupied by Satan and his angels. At its close Christ with His saints and the Holy City will descend from heaven to earth. The unrighteous dead will then be resurrected, and with Satan and his angels will surround the city; but fire from God will consume them and cleanse the earth. The universe will thus be freed of sin and sinners forever. (Rev. 20; 1 Cor. 6:2, 3; Jer. 4:23-26; Rev. 21:1-5; Mal. 4:1; Eze. 28:18, 19.)

28. New Earth:
On the new earth, in which righteousness dwells, God will provide an eternal home for the redeemed and a perfect environment for everlasting life, love, joy, and learning in His presence. For here God Himself will dwell with His people, and suffering and death will have passed away. The great controversy will be ended, and sin will be no more. All things, animate and inanimate, will declare that God is love; and He shall reign forever. Amen. (2 Peter 3:13; Isa. 35; 65:17-25; Matt. 5:5; Rev. 21:1-7; 22:1-5; 11:15.)

I am a bit confused as to this idea of a sanctuary being created now which seems to be a bit like the jewish tabernacle but bigger! hmmmmmmmmmmmm
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rachel, I'd suggest you copy this material and paste it into a new thread on the Christian Morality and Theology forum. Entitle it something like "Questions about Seventh Day Adventist teachings" and we can take it from there. This thread is mostly focused on the uniqueness of the Christian message and its relevance today.

Once you do this, I'll delete the thread above and respond to some of your questions on the new thread.

Thanks. Phil
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For me growing up as a fundamentalist and becoming involved with post jesus hippie groups as a young person I never saw a true alternative to Christianity. I also never really came in touch with liberal christianity except in books. The older I become the more convinced I am of Christianity and my own ignorance. My addictions and personal issues drove me into liturgical Churches and finally to Rome. Christianity is so wide and comprehensive even within catholicism. I guess when we realize the Church is the people human beings fallible and broken then it changes are prespective. Growing up in The Baptist Tradition I saw abuse including sexual abuse, verbal and physical violence etc. Forgiveness and change does not come through anger but for me it has come through looking at Christ his love and healing. For me this happened within catholicism for others it happened in other denominations.
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