Hi,

Do any of you watch Jack Van Impe on TBN? I just still don't know what to think of that man. He seems to be extremely knowledgable about end times prophecy, and has been studying this for over 40 yrs. He believes in the pre tribulation rapture and the 1000 yr reign of Jesus on earth.

My husband and I watch him each week. I know the Catholic church doesn't agree with his kind of theology but I still wonder... He is on each Weds. night and my husband (esp. husband) watch him. I know I have posted on this topic before, but this time I want to know specifically if anyone watches JVI, or for that matter, Hal Lindsay or any of the others.

Thanks,
Katy

Ohboy! Katy, I was into all of this for many years.
The Bilderburgers, The Club of Rome, the Trilateral
Commission, the Rockefellers, the Rothchilds, the Council on Foreign Relations, Freemasonry and the Illuminati. I don't know, but it may be interesting to look at the psychology of persons who
believe in conspiracy theories.

Happy Thanksgiving

mm <*)))))><

MM,

Bilderburgers, The Club of Rome, the Trilateral Commission...? Could you fill me in?

Happy Thanksgiving to you, too.

Katy

http://www.nationmakers.com/chap1.htm

Above is an entire book about it, but chapter six is missing. Maybe they got him?

There's a movie with Mel Gibson called "Conspiracy Theory," but can we really trust Mel, or is he in on it? A new one is out with Nicolas Cage, called "National Treasure," but he's probably in on it too!


Here's some more:

http://theforbiddenknowledge.c...tiamericangroups.htm

http://theforbiddenknowledge.c..._their_own_words.htm

Well, it's too late for you now, as they'll no doubt be watching you from now on, and may "erase"
you. Did you see the movie "The Net" with Sandra Bullock? Maybe they are in on it too?

Sleep well...

mysterymichael.com

Thanks for the links and info, MM. I will have to look into all this.. I haven't had a clue. So he (JVI) could be part of a conspiracy? Oh my.

Katy

Goodness gracious... educate me! Give me some basics, first. In a nutshell,for starters, what is the Illuminati, the Freemasons? And what does JVI have to do with all this?

Katy

And Black Pope???

K

I'm sure that there are those who conspire, but God has everything under control and my instructions are not to worry about them.

The conspiracy against God has existed from the beginning and is all factored in as part of the great game or design somehow.

Many prophecy teachers are right to point out that almost everything Jesus spoke of as coming before the time of the end has occured and the prophetic time clock may be ticking. Tick, tock...

I've studied history all of my life and I have a distinct sense that it all may be reaching some sort of climax. Hope of His return is basic to the Christian faith and without that hope what would
it be to be a believer?

No one knows the hour or the day, however, and each generation has believed they were living in the "last days." Sixty million copies of "Left Behind" books and a half a dozen motion pictures about the Anti-Christ since 2000 bear testimony to
a touch of "millenial madness" amongst Jesus' kids
these days.

Then again, many sold their belongings and waited up on mountain tops around A.D. 1000.

As a Pilgrim and a Traveler it is appropriate to keep my bags packed at all times and remember that the master said, "My Kingdom is not of this world."

peaceBwithU,

MM <*)))))><

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dispensationalism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F...ntalist_Christianity

Im not so sure that fundamentalist dispensationalists like JVI and Hal Lindsay have got it all wrong. In my personal experience I found this worldview heavy and stifling to my personal growth.
I see it as a pessimistic and somewhat limited view of humanity, which I believe has the potential to grow beyond it's present situation and thereby avert catastrophe. I believe that biblical prophecy leaves room for this to happen.

I hope they are wrong about the future, but who can say for sure?

caritas,

mm <*)))))><

http://www.spirithome.com/theend.html

I like this guy's site and use quotes from it in Daily Seed all the time. His reflections are solid without being too intellectual.

At the core of this issue is how we understand apocalyptic literature (Daniel, Enoch, Revelation). Here are a few links that might help; some are a little more technical than others.

http://www.messiahskingdom.com.../apocalypticlit.html

http://www.deliriumsrealm.com/...rticleview.asp?ID=33

http://www.findarticles.com/p/...s_20_119/ai_92589345

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01594b.htm

Thanks so much for the Links, Phil. Will check them out... Hopefully I will be at peace about all this one way or the other. See, my D.H. believes in it all and even gave me a JVI prophecy bible yesterday which was sweet of him, but I somehow don't have the nerve to tell him I tend to not believe JVI's views. I know, I know, I need to communicate my opinions and they are just as valid.... sigh.

Katy

And thanks M.M. for the links and for your reply.
I always like your posts here, M.M....
Katy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T...d_Christian_Prophecy

This is the kind of thing I got tired of and went through a period of re-evaluation and disillusionment.

How can this book make me stronger? Weaker?

Http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Revelation

I'd like to remain orthodox without becoming a spiritual hovercraft. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt, broke the coffee mug.

caritas,

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More controversy in the world of bible prophecy...

http://headlines.agapepress.or...ve/12/afa/32004b.asp

Lahaye has sold over sixty million Left Behind books!!! Amazing.

millennialmadness.com

Heh. Guess LaHaye discovered that publishers are really in the business of making money and not necessarily promoting a particular theology. Most, that is . . .

In all fairness to JVI, I believe that he is primarily an evangelist and has been so all his life. He uses biblical prophecy for evangelism.
I don't hear much bad news about him. I believe he is a Baptist preacher.

Hal Lindsay, as you probably know, wrote the best selling religious book of the 1970s, The Late Great
Planet Earth.

LaHaye might have only five million readers who bought all eleven books, and probably does not have an audience of sixty million. However, most Americans, according to one poll I saw, believe in
this type of prophecy, and that has to have an influence on our foreign policy, which makes it an important issue, IMO.

Hank Hannegraaff took over Walter Martin's ministry
and The Bible Answerman radio program. In the 70s and 80s Walter Martin focused on outreach to LDS and Watchtower Society members, and was highly effective. His best known book is The Kingdom of the Cults. Hannegraf greatly expanded the scope of the ministry. He took on the Jesus Seminar a long time before most had heard about them. He took up for the Roman Catholic Church, which angered fundamentalists. He took on most of the televangelists, particularly the Word of Faith movement, which caused a media war that went on for years.

Hannegraaff assembled some very smart people, some of whom have gone on to start their own apologetics ministries. One of them, who lives here in Colorado started a cult, and now Hannegraaff
is into this Preterist thing, so I'm going to have to place a big question mark around him for awhile


caritas,

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