Hi everybody,

Reading that kundalini is a process of letting go I would like to know what it is to let go of, and how to do this, and what methods and specialists can be used.


To what type of therapist do you advice to go to handle these (emotional) issues / and blockades wich are behind the fysical complaints we have and have to let go. What method do you follow ?


Perhaps a chakra psychologist, or jungian, ?, I heard also of gestalttherapy,jungian, e.o. focusing. e.o. on only a fysical approach ?


Is it possible to work on these things to get better in the proces of kundalini ?

How to approach this ?

HCB

HCB, we've explored much of this in another discussion you started. I'm not even sure your situation is kundalini related, but if it is, it's always good to have a physician working with you on physical issues, a psychotherapist on emotional ones, and pursuing religious and spiritual disciplines to become spiritually healthy. What we call kundalini process will get straightened out as we become healthier in these areas.

See http://shalomplace.com/view/k-process.html for info on my new book on kundalini. The first chapter is free and includes a list of helpful practices for dealing with kundalini.

Phil - Based on her symptoms, I'd be surprised if it isn't K... especially since she's experiencing Nada's ("Cosmic Sound") in conjunction with the other symptoms...

https://www.yogapedia.com/definition/5321/nada
https://www.yogapedia.com/defi...on/5813/cosmic-sound

I didn't know what they were for a long time, and I'm not really sure when they started since it was initially so faint, but they eventually became so loud at times (in my head, not my ears) that I started digging for their source. Today it's a constant, though the more 'in the moment' I am, the louder it gets until it's almost visual in an alpha-state sort of way.

-L

hcb - "Letting go..."

Psychotherapy is essentially 'cognitive retraining', and has a beginning and an end of the active relearning process. It works to relieve us of false beliefs that tend to drive our thinking patterns. As each false belief is released, all other false beliefs that depended on it are also released... hence, the 'shrink' comments because as they fall away, there is most usually a sense that your belief dynamic has been reduced. I worked with olympic performance sports psychologist who led me through the process. The active portion starts out with 2-3 times per week, declining for about 1-1/2 yrs to just 1/2x month. Once complete, the process does continue until no more triggers remain (essentially). Zen Buddhism and other forms of meditation strives to do the same thing by focusing on the 'now', and cognitively recognizing thought patterns while in a state of non-attachment.

Benadryl - it's just an antihistamine that can be purchased at most any store, that has off-use applications used by hospitals, doctors, and individuals alike... both as a sleep aid, and as a temporary anxiety deterrent. Google it for more info.

-L

What I'm suggesting, Les and hcb, is that discomfiting symptoms be treated at the level they're manifesting, regardless if they're k related or not, which is sometimes not easy to know. Every now and then, for example, I get a headache, or a cold, or indigestion, and it's not necessarily k related. So I address the symptoms.

Kundalini activation or awakening is not a pathology per se, as I hope my new book helps to clarify. It's also very, very rare to find kundalini activation apart from some kind of intense, ongoing spiritual practice, and I don't recall that being the case, here. I don't know about nada or the om sound; how would one know? Whatever the case, that in itself doesn't change how one addresses the issues.

Hope this all helps.

Peace, Phil

it is kundalini related.

hcb, my point is that if you have awakened kundalini and have a toothache, you will need to see a dentist. Same goes for other kinds of problems. If some of those problems are a consequence of kundalini, addressing them could help to balance the energy flow.

Addressing the kundalini issue might entail dealing with some of the discomfiting consequences of it first. But eventually, kundalini issues will need to be resolved in a religious/spiritual context.

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I don't know about internal sounds but all those symptoms: "Cramps, tension, sleeping issues, exhaustion, warms, colds, shaking, constant zooming in the ears, starting about little noises that shake my body." can be manifestations of intense anxiety and anxiety is not necessarily kundalini related. I saw cases of hypersensitivity to sounds, light, touch which had nothing to do with k.

Hcb the fact was that energy work triggered anxiety but it doesn't follow logically that the nature of anxiety is and not some psychological problem which presented in the face of losing control over your body, for instance. It's not pleasant to be out of control over your organism.

At one time I would have recommended Tara the kundalini therapist. However, I am currently reading an expose of Tibetan Buddhism titled Enthralled: The Guru Cult of Tibetan Buddhism by Christine A. Chandler. I think that Tara has unwittingly become involved in a movement with a very dark side to it.

hcb, your safest course of action would be to consult with ordinary Western physicians.

Also, I agree with Phil that we seem to have gone round in circles with this topic.

Hi Phil,

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Originally posted by Phil:
What I'm suggesting, Les and hcb, is that discomfiting symptoms be treated at the level they're manifesting, regardless if they're k related or not, which is sometimes not easy to know. Every now and then, for example, I get a headache, or a cold, or indigestion, and it's not necessarily k related. So I address the symptoms.

Oh, I agree. I've always pursued physical possibilities, including going all the way through cognitive retraining, exhausting those through exploration with my doctor. This has included a full neurological examination when certain things started occurring visually and the first Nada's began to occur. This would have been back in '93. They were rather fascinated by my reactions to brainwave tests from gamma through the delta, and attributed it to the years of meditation practice. As it turned out, they classified it as variant migraines, but when they would onset, I'd slip into an alpha/theta state which eliminated any radiant pain and arrested the migraines. They also admitted that in many ways it was their best approximation as to what was happening as they hadn't seen it quite like that before.

When the vasovagal attacks started, they put me through similar, though at a more physical level... including wearing a heart monitor for two weeks. In the end, it was a similar story. They really didn't understand the underlying cause but prescribed an off-use med to manage the symptoms.

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Kundalini activation or awakening is not a pathology per se, as I hope my new book helps to clarify. It's also very, very rare to find kundalini activation apart from some kind of intense, ongoing spiritual practice, and I don't recall that being the case, here. I don't know about nada or the om sound; how would one know? Whatever the case, that in itself doesn't change how one addresses the issues.

I'm not entirely convinced about the first part. I've come across a few who were not devout or actively practicing that were experiencing K symptoms... though most did meditate, which I think is probably a strong indicator.

As to tinnitus vs nada's... the first is a ringing in the ears. The second is more like a sine wave in the center of the head and radiates outward, and often feels like you have a hat-band around your head. It can reach a level of intensity that it becomes a whole body experience and radiates from below the feet and upward... a bit like you're on fire, though in an inner-dimensional kind of way. I've come to associate it with the Holy Spirit flowing intensely through my spiritual/metaphysical body.

AAR... JM2c

Derek, yes -- plenty of bizarre things that go on in Tibetan Buddhism, though I'm sure the same could be said about some of our Christian sects as well.

Les, have you read my new book on kundalini? There's a link to it at the top of this page. Although bizarre and unsettling consequences sometimes come with k activation, it's not a pathology per se. My book goes into depth about that. We might think of adolescence as a similar situation -- not a pathology, for sure, but it can be unsettling, especially if one is coming out of a troubled childhood.

Tinnitus symptoms are many, including ringing in the ear, but also chirping, hissing and other sounds. I do know that "hat-band" experience you describe but have never associated it with the Holy Spirit. It felt more like energy was blocked and had nowhere to flow to. When the energy flows to 3rd eye, that all goes away and there is clarity. Why do you associate that with the Holy Spirit?

Phil,

>>Headband...

Yeah, no... my third eye opened when I was 17.

>>Pathology...

I think Gopi Krishna and others might disagree to some extent. Gopi spent the majority of his efforts educating doctors and institutions on the issues, symptoms, and methods of treatment.

>>Book...

Not yet, but it’s on my list.

Hmmm... speaking of which, did you ever get a chance to read mine?

>>Holy Spirit...

It took some time for me to arrive at some conclusions on this aspect, but I’m convinced that the HS and K are one and the same. The feeling is the same as described in many texts, verses, and passages by others describing the same...some referring to the HS, others referring to K.

HGB...

I’ve mulled over your question... one word...

“surrender”

Best...

Holy Spirit and Kundalini one and the same... Holy Spirit cries in us "Abba, Father" and "Jesus is the Lord". Obviously, most of people who experience k activation immediately proclaim Jesus as their Lord and God as their Father ;-) The only way you can identify HS and K is by first defining HS in a non-Christian way.

Mt...

Eh???

I’ll answer, but I want to be sure what you’re asking or what your point is...

And what is unclear in what I wrote? The sentence with ;-) was supposed to be ironic.