I'm sure I've experienced various channels - one from my base spiralling up to my third eye in ever increasing circles. It made me twitch and shiver some when the energy shot through that one. Many others too. Most frequently these days the left and right channels.

I also had a dream of various channels of light in and around me and, indeed, connecting physical objects in the "real" world, like energetic connections and the possibility of interaction/interconnection.

I've certainly wanted to die when the k and it's side effects have been extreme. Never have though. Sure I will one day. Maybe not from k. Hopefully not for a while. It raises some interesting questions for me though. What's the role of k at death? Does it survive the body with consciousness or extinguish? Is it part of the light body in the afterlife? If everything in the universe is k energy, the energy of consciousness, does disembodied or disincarnate consciousness have it own energetic expression? Is that k?

Sorry to bring up Bob Boyds old forum and website again but I remember he had one page there listing all the possible side effects of Kundalini arousal and 'death' was a bout two thirds down the list.


Overcoming the fear of death is the thing and this can be often achieved by not taking death too personally.

Great questions, Stephen. I suspect that K is of the created order, moving in the interfacings between organism, psyche and spirit. So, after death, no K, as no more organism, and maybe not much psyche either.

But who knows?

Tarantella . . . good old Bob Boyd!

I suspect that K never directly causes death, but might indirectly influence one with a painful, unstable process to take their live.

There may also be confusion of what is occurring to another. I wouldn't rule out the possibility of someone who is in some phase of physically dying experiencing a kundalini awakening and enlightenment. Kundalini does not guarantee healing from disease.

And so Kundalini could be wrongly blamed for the individual's death.

The release of K sure brought me to my knees.
At times I pondered suicide. What took me years
to understand was that this was all about the
Love of God.

I think ultimately the rise of the kundalini does exact one's life.
For me, it has been a dying unto self. Here you have this Pure eternal power
rising within, and devouring, changing the temporal forces based within nature.
The foundation of me (my ego) was built upon these temporal forces. In order to
get pugged back into the Tree of Life (I am the vine, you are the branches) it must
remove this temporary image of self. The difficult thing to remember when going
through this death process, is that God is doing this so to give a soul Life more
abundantly, and also to give the soul back its True Eternal image of Self. It is
a resurection. A life for a LIFE. Entlightenment is just a stage in this Holy process.
The ultimate gift is the soul in Union with this Divine and Eternal Love. This is
why I follow the Christ.

very nice post mark !

The k is emering and sanding the ego, and not only the ego, but all purities you have inside. Finally it will erase the ego and the ego life. then you are "born again". This erasing of the ego is finally the most hurting step, i guess

Thanks, Blissin

God bless those that have the strength, courage, and most important,
the faith to make it through this born again process. I am not sure there
is a written guarantee. Many of the early desert fathers (mystics) went
crazy in attempting to give all to this Christ enlightenment and Love.
I can see why now. This will test one's faith to the maximum. However, I do
realize what a Grand Gift this is, and that one has to be completely humbled
before they are exalted. For me it has been in the humbling that these walls
have come crashing down, and behind this small facade which is me (ego) was
this Giant Love that I am still not ready (made for) to receive in its fullness.
The rebuilding, remaking, reshaping hands of God are still very much at work
in my soul. Just the sightest touch of this Pure Love can cause pain when
the small ego is still lingering.

A complete annihilation of self. I wonder how many are prepared
for this when it becomes very real. I too wonder and reflect much
on my own small fragile nature that has relied upon the taming of
nature in suppling the needs of this organic house. So many fears
come from deep down when called upon to give up one's story. But
give it up we must. There are moments of strength, followed by
weakness, followed by exhaustion. The Divine does test one's metal.
No one that is on the High road of this infused state of Divine
Love will escape the battle field. What good is such a Gift if one
does not understand its value. This Long suffering road allows us to
see that what we were asked to give up was really nothing.

Thanks for your sharing, Mark.

Yes, we are turned "inside-out," which is sort of like being skinned alive, to use a rather extreme analogy. Most of the pain comes from our resistance to the divine, however, which cannot be helped as unconscious patterns of resistance are beyond the control of the Ego's willingness to cooperate. Still, we trust that the divine knows the proper pace and will always handle us with love and mercy.

And . . . it all does get better in time. The old skin we shed wasn't doing us much good anyway.

quote:

Originally posted by Phil:
The old skin we shed wasn't doing us much good anyway.

No man putteth new wine into old wineskins?

Yup, it's this grand stage of illusion perfectly hidden.
Those that are never satisfied with their role will ceaselessly
attempt to penetrate this veil. I believe it is by our very
perseverance, and our steadfast faith that God will eventually
give the key to unlock this Grand Mystery.
Even random chance, and choice are confined within these
illusionary walls. The mystery just keeps growing, and growing.
As one suffers through their own unique illusion, one starts to
see the greater picture. The Divine will reveal in due course
Its Perfect Plan that remains hidden to most, but to the soul that
can weather the storms in the desire to see their own illusion,(momentary
story), God will expose and reveal so much more.
It's really all in the parables.
What a road? wow! It can hurt bad at times, but the reward is over
the top!

I want to note that the k is not the only process to " burn down the ego " (words of Ramakrishna). Not everybody who is on the way to God has the k !!!!

There are other ways too: one for instance is the Dark Night of the Soul. Sister Faustina tells about her experiences of her dark night in her diaries . (Diary 1, around 110 and before, if I remember right.) in her process, the result was a complete detachment from all earthly things and a complete surrender of any ego , that was left and survived this dark night, to God

And yes, I think, one can die from the dark night of the soul too. This must be a tremendous torture, not just simply some kind of life crisis

I don't know, Bliss -- die from the dark night of the soul?

Of course, any one of us would die if the divine was revealed to us fully before we had been purified and transformed, but that's not the way of the divine. The incarnation and gift of the Spirit is an example of the divine emptying and accommodation to human nature as it exists. While the Spirit certainly nudges us along, it's never beyond our capacity to consent and integrate what's going on. Kundalini isn't so gentle, of course, but if it's truly under the direction of the Spirit, then even it will not exceed our capacities for endurance and transformation.

There is no loss of the Ego in all this, but you all know that I do not use the term as many do. In fact, it is precisely the Ego that has to consent and cooperate with the workings of grace. Ego is the center of consciousness where intellect, choice and identity converge, and we are never deprived of intellect and choice. What we must let go of is attachment to identities based on ideas of ourselves we wish to perpetuate to impress others, gain approval, status, power, etc. -- false self Ego identities. Eventually, we have to let go of all ideas of who we are, holding the most obvious ones as descriptors rather than definers. Who we really are in God is mystery, and yet at the same time we are male/female, someone's spouse, sibling, child, a member of a culture, religion, etc. Once the mind "gets this" and allows the will to fully consent to the process, things aren't so rough. It's this driving with the brakes on that creates the sparks.

Blissin, I do believe you are correct. Some experience the Descent of
the Holy Breath/Spirit, which involves the K but in quite another matter. For
me it was 14 years later that I entered into the "Dark night of the spirit",
which released the Kundalini from below. At that point I had to many impurities
built up in me, and the rise in my case had to happen. I wish I could have
caught the Bird in Flight earlier, but unfortunately I was still too rough
around the edges. God Realization does not necessarily have to involve the
K, although many think it does. I however, do not. When I went through the
dark night of the soul, I did have a breakdown. It was more based on my own
psychology, and emotional immaturity. The Dark night of the Spirit has been
much different, even though depressions still presist. This has been an intense
fire burning away this false image of self. The Holy Breath let me know years
ago that it was going to do this to me, but I ended up ignoring this call and
running away. In the 14 year period between the "Dark night of the soul", and
the "Dark night of the Spirit", I went dry. I wish I would have held on, but
I traveled back into the world and for 14 years I again built upon this
false, or temporary persona. The hound of heaven was always there nipping
at my heels, but I gave it my best shot at ignoring the call.
Phil is right, when we enter into this annihilation process (Dark night of the
spirit), we will be asked as there must be a choice. This is the Spiritual
Marriage and there must be an invitation and an acceptance. This is when the
fast starts (that long suffering departure of your lover). This is when we
will experience that emptiness that can drive one insane. But the house must
be remodeled so your Lover can embrace you perfectly.
When the K rises, this is when it pierces the flesh. Teresa of Avila is a
perfect example of the rise of the K and the remodeling/rebuilding within
to support and house the Kings chanber. John of the Cross talked about many
of the symtons involved with the rise of the K. I again do not think, as many
do, that the K has to rise. Many a great saint east and west did not have to
go through this process.