After over a year of delays, the new book has finally arrived. Let's have another look at the good
doctor. The book is chock full of calibrations, hundreds of them, politics, media, movies, Great Books of the Western World, architecture, scientists, philosophers, artists, industries, corporations, scientific theories, 2004 election,
government agencies, law enforcement,TV commercials,
philanthropic organizations, medical practices,
America, public service organizations, famous criminals, and much, much more.

Beginning with countries, how do they stack up?

USA -421

Austrailia - 410

Canada -415

Mexico -300

PRC -300

Iraq -120

Haiti -55

Bosnia -180

North Korea -175

Cuba -180

Nepal -205

Vietnam -140

Europe -355

Syria -155

India -355

Pakistan -140

Israel -190

The U.S. position on the Vietnam war -405 at first, then dropping to 350

Kennedy position on the Cold War -430

Nixon's position -400

GHW Bush position on the Gulf War I -400

Sadadam Hussein position -95

Soviet leaders:

Khruschev -80

Breznev -90

KGB -40

CIA -185

Calibrations for early Iraq war:

Bush -460

Powell -460

Blair 440

Secretary of Defense -460

U.S. Military (intention) -450

State Department (intention) -450

Congress -450

U.S. population -431

U.S. media - 320

Peace vigils -305

Pre-emptive war -360

Oh, boy, we're having some fun now.

It really is fun to see how Hawkins feels about things, isn't it?

Hawkins on Kundalini,(Truth vs Falsehood,page 69):

"This spiritual energy, or kundalini, as it is often called (Sanella, 1992), eventually is more strongly dominant with the progression of consciousness until, finally, its presence becomes detectable by sensation. By the time the consciousness levels reach the 500s, and especially in the high 500s the energy tends to flow in a generalized way and influences not only subjectivity but percieved experience as well. Life experiences become progressively more benign and fortuitous. What is held in mind tends to present itself almost effortlessly as thoug h by the miraculous. The subjective sensation of this energy field is exquisite and sweetly pleasurable.
Characteristically, it is experienced as flowing up the back and the spine into the brain where it can be made to flow into any specific area of the brain by merely focusing attention. At times the energy flows of its own accord out the front of th e body from the heart region by virtue of its own intrinsic nature. The energy flow potentiates healings and transformations in self and others. It is the influential energy field that potentiates the 'miraculous' (Calibrates as 'true')
(Hawkins, 2001)."

This matches my experience of "k", except that I never attempted to move it around to areas of my brain, but I lack Hawkins grasp of anatomy and brain function. Also, I attribute the miracles to that which I believe to be the Source. <*))))><

http://www.skaggs-island.org/h...nella/kundalini.html

Ok, I remember Sannella now. Interesting...

Hawkins uses his psychiatric skill to assess pathological states vs authentic spiritual states and had done this for the Catholic church, Zen and Protestant monastics. He's been to Snowmass to visit with Father Keating and the boyz, so, he's no piker...

yeah, lots of fun...

U.S. Politics:

Anarchy 105

Abortion
Anti 250
Pro 235

Church/Pike Committee hearings 185

Conservative party 310

Cultural Creatives 335

Democratic Party 310

Domestic Partership Law 335

Evangelical Right (Moral Majority) 245-255

Gay Marriage Law (Massachusettes) 265

Green Party 180

Far Left Liberal 185

Far Right Conservative 135-145

Liberal 180-200

Libertarian Party 295

McCarthy Hearings 185

Moderates 200-390

Republican Party 315

Secularism 180

Socialist Party 265

Torricelli Principle "Section 527" 160
Organizations 200

Distribution of Levels of Consciousness, Middle East

Egypt 300

Iran 190

Iraq 120

Israel 190

Jordan 185

Kuwait 190

Lebanon 130

Oman 90

Palestine 185

Saudi Arabia 175

Syria 160

Turkey 245

UAE 180

Yemen 160

Terrorist Organizations


Abu Sayyaf Group (Philippines) 85

Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade Israel, West Bank, Gaza 75

Al-Quaeda (Wahabism) Global 65

Asbat al-Ansar (Lebanon) 75

Basque Fatherland and Liberty (ETA) France, Spain
80

Chachon Separatists (Russia) 85

Fallujah Insurgents 85

Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IMU) Central Asia
75

Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) Israel, West Bank, Gaza 75

Hasbullah (Lebanon) 70

Hofsted Network (Netherlands) 85

Ivory Coast Revolutionaries 90

Jaishe-e-Mohammed (Pakistan) 75

Jamaah Islamiya (Southest Asia) 80

Kach Kahane Chai (Israel, West Bank) 80

Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) Turkey 85

Lashkar I Jhangve (Pakistan) 75

Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (Sri Lanka) 80

Moro Islamic Liberation Front (Philippines) 80

Moroccan Islamic Combat Group (Morocco) 85

National Liberation Army (ELN) (Columbia) 80

Palestine Islamic Jihad (Israel, West Bank, Gaza)
75

Palestine Liberation Organization 65

Real IRA (Northern Ireland) 85

Revolutionary Armed Forces (FARC) (Columbia) 90

Salifist Cell and Combat Group (Algeria) 80

"Supremacist Groups" (Racist, Ethnic, Religious, Political) Worldwide 40-85

Tewhid we Jihad (Iraq) 70

Ulster Defense Association (Northern Ireland) 85

United Self-Defense Forces (Columbia) 90

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A calibration of 50 has a condemning God, hopeless
self, emotion of despair and process of Abdication

A calibration of 75 has an uncaring God, tragic self, emotion of regret and process of despondency

A calibration of 100 has a punitive God, frightening life view, emotion of anxiety and process of withdrawal

50 level is Apathy, Hatred

75 level is Grief

100 level is Fear

Boy, just one of these people could ruin your whole day!

Ten Noble Traits of Americans, (Devji 2004, calibration 470), as quoted on pages 170-171:

1)GODLY: Almost all of us acknowledge that a power beyond us guides the swirling destinies of men; the Native Americans pray to a 'Great Spirit' and with
a reverent heart tie it to the sacred earth and skies of America.

2)TOLERANT: European Christians settled this land and wrote it's constitution. They then opened their arms wide and welcomed people from the rest of the world. Now mosques, synagogues and temples
pepper the landscape along with churches. Muslims can worship more freely here than in most Moslem countries. Sikhs wear turbans and Jews their yamakas.

3)VISIONARY: While we are an earthbound nation enjoying our material success, we are also an extraordinary visionary people. We dare to dream impossible dreams. We soar the skies searching the stars. We have landed on planets that lie shrouded in billions of years of silence. On earth, our vision in the healing arts will literally make the lame walk and the blind see.

4)PROSPEROUS: The capacity of Americans to work hard joyously is the stuff of which the wealth of this country is made. Our work ethic is unmatched.
We are the richest country in the world, but our children start babysitting, bagging groceries and cutting lawns while they are still in school.

5) GENEROUS: There is possibly no country on earth which has not been touched by the generosity of Americans. We respond to earthquakes, floods and famines with compassionate hearts. We send money, medicines, clothes and prayers to victims of every color and creed, even our "enemies." We know that we are custodians of wealth, not it's owners.

6) RESILIENT: Americans have an uncanny capacity to bounce back from adversity---- accidents, bankruptcies, and divorces. The rebuild their bodies, businesses and lives. They do not sit in dark corners; they fight back.

7)COURAGEOUS: A four-year-old in my neighborhood comes around the corner wearing a helmet, riding a scooter, and my aunts in India still hold on to their 14-year-olds protectively! Americans seem to be born with an extra streak of courage. It seems to be seared within our soul. We teach the world the meaning of the word with our daring spirits and our exploits.

8)HUMOUROUS: We love laughter and life. You can tell an American abroad because he is generally the one who has the biggest smile, sometimes the loudest voice and laughter, and is the most approachable. An American will fill a room with his infectious goodwill and just not treat anyone as a stranger.

9) SELF INTROSPECTION: Occupying the unique position that we do in the world, we could be really arrogant and indifferent to people's opinions, but we are childlike in our need for approval. We are a self-introspective people, we dissect our actions and thoughts, we form committees, and we discuss them in our newspapers, television, and town hall meetings.

10) SWEETNESS: Countries, like people, become dry and arid if the quality of sweetness is absent from the souls of their citizens. Americans have been blessed with a rare quality of sweetness of the soul.

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As you can see, Hawkins is quite bullish on America and Devji must have had her Special K one morning!

Diagnostic Scale -----Politics and the election 2004

Conservatives 415

Republicans 405

Moderates 375

Democrats 325

Liberals 255

Ultra Liberal, Far Left 185

Far Left diatribes 135

Anarchists 100

Non-voters 90

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I might have to rethink and recontextualize my preference for moderate positions vis a vis the Conservatives, which calibrate higher. I have to go "up" and not "left". Where is the "center," I wonder?

I might have to rethink and recontextualize my preference for moderate positions vis a vis the Conservatives, which calibrate higher. I have to go "up" and not "left". Where is the "center," I wonder?

I knew that if you hung around me long enough, MM, that I could eventually change your mind. But seriously, you needn�t narrow things down to those choices, especially since I believe YA AIN�T GOT A CONSERVATIVE BONE IN YOUR BODY!!!

What I would recommend (and goodness knows the country needs this, if only as something to replace the loony left) is for you to spearhead a movement for the reawakening and re-energization of true Jeffersonian-style liberalism. That�s not to say that Jefferson didn�t have some major holes in his thinking. No man is perfect. But he was pretty darn good:

"The essential principles of our Government... form the bright constellation which has gone before us and guided our steps through an age of revolution and reformation. The wisdom of our sages and blood of our heroes have been devoted to their attainment. They should be the creed of our political faith, the text of civic instruction, the touchstone by which to try the services of those we trust; and should we wander from them in moments of error or of alarm, let us hasten to retrace our steps and to regain the road which alone leads to peace, liberty and safety." --1st Inaugural Address, 1801.

"The principles of Jefferson are the axioms of a free society." --Abraham Lincoln

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with inherent and inalienable rights; that among these, are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness." --Declaration of Independence as originally written by Thomas Jefferson, 1776. ME 1:29, Papers 1:315

"That every man shall be made virtuous by any process whatever is, indeed, no more to be expected than that every tree shall be made to bear fruit, and every plant nourishment. The brier and bramble can never become the vine and olive; but their asperities may be softened by culture, and their properties improved to usefulness in the order and economy of the world." --Thomas Jefferson to Cornelius Camden Blatchly, 1822. ME 15:399

"Self-love... is the sole antagonist of virtue, leading us constantly by our propensities to self-gratification in violation of our moral duties to others. Accordingly, it is against this enemy that are erected the batteries of moralists and religionists, as the only obstacle to the practice of morality. Take from man his selfish propensities, and he can have nothing to seduce him from the practice of virtue. Or subdue those propensities by education, instruction or restraint, and virtue remains without a competitor." --Thomas Jefferson to Thomas Law, 1814. ME 14:140

"[Montesquieu wrote in Spirit of the Laws, III,c.3:] 'When virtue is banished, ambition invades the minds of those who are disposed to receive it, and avarice possesses the whole community." --Thomas Jefferson: copied into his Commonplace Book.

"[Algernon Sidney wrote in Discourses Concerning Government, Sect. II, Par. 8:] 'Those who have no sense of right, reason or religion, have a natural propensity to make use of their strength to the destruction of such as are weaker than they.'" --Thomas Jefferson: copied into his Commonplace Book.

"I know no safe depositary of the ultimate powers of the society but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them, but to inform their discretion by education. This is the true corrective of abuses of constitutional power." --Thomas Jefferson to William C. Jarvis, 1820. ME 15:278

Amen to that last one.

You keep going with those calibrations, MM, and I just might take another look at Hawkins. Nice to know that the cosmic intelligence thinks conservatives have more integrity than liberals!

the doc finally has his own wikipage:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_R_Hawkins

If you want a high level of consciousness on television, watch National Geographic, History Channel, 700 Club and Oprah Winfrey. Yes, Oprah!!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oprah_Winfrey




"700" Club" 400

Action Movies 180

All in the Family 255

American Idol 180

America's Most Wanted 345

Animal/Nature 405

Bill Cosby Show 385

Biography Channel 405

Broadcast Programming (overall) 275

Cheers 250

Children's Cartoons 180

Children's Programs 355

Crime Programs 180

History, Discovery and Science Channels 405

Homemaking, Decorating and Woodshop 345

I Love Lucy 395

Infomercials 180

Kukla, Fran and Ollie 405

Married With Children 190

MTV 130

Muppets, The 310

National Geographic 450

Oprah Winfrey Show 510

PBS 405

"Reality" Show Contests 125

Sitcoms (Situation Comedies) 180

Sports 375

Sullivan, Ed 435

"Terry Jones Midieval History" 410

Weather 405

Web M.D. 200

Philanthropic Foundations

Gates, Ford, Mellon, Carnegie 400

Kellogg, Pew, Duke, Wal-Mart 400

Lilly, Rockefeller, F.W. Johnson 400

Templeton 500

Wheelchair Foundation (K. Behring) 520

Others 400

This comes as a surprise to me, as I was under the impression that liberals had overrun the foundations. Wonder where right-wing paranoia calibrates?

Since we are having a discussion in another thread about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Calvin and comparing their influence to the likes of
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_John_Paul_II and have also discussed http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalai_Lama I would mention at this point that Calvin and Luther calibrate at 580, and His Holiness and His Holiness
both calibrate at 570.

Since 99.99% of us never reach such exalted states, I consider myself fortunate to live in a world influence by such grace and light!

Intelligent Design heads the list of scientific theories. Here's the list:

Attractor Fields (Non-linear Dynamics) 460

"Big Bang" Source-of-Universe Theory False

Biofield 460

Black Hole Theory rev. 2004 (Hawking) 455

Bootstrap Theory 455

Chaos Theory 455

Collective Unconscious (Jung) 455

Consciousness as Consequence of Neuronal Activity
140

Consciousness Calibration 605

Darwinian Theory of Evolution 450

Dinasaur Extinction Theory 200

Dirac Equations 455

Discovery of Double Helix of DNA 460

"Distant Healing" False

(Divinity as Source of Universe) Infinite

Drake Equation 350

Earth's Magnetic Field Weakening True

Earth Slowly Reversing Magnetic Poles 460

Earth Warming Due to Pollution False

Earth Warming Due to Solar Magnetic Surface Cycles
455

E=mc2 455

Entanglement (Quantum Theory) False

Frame Dragging 460

"God" gene False

"Greenhouse" gas Earthwarming theory False

Heartmath 460

Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle 460

Hormesis 180

"Holographic Universe" 395

Inflation Theory (post-Big-Bang) 450

Intelligent Design 480

Microbe Organisms on Mars True

Mind Fields Entangled with Divinity True

Mind Fields Entangled with Others False

Morphic Resonance 460

Morphogenetic Fields (Sheldrake) 460

M-Theory (formerly String Theory) 460

Multiple Universes True

Newtonian Causality Principle 460

Nonlinear Dynamics 460

Prayer Increases Healing True

Nuclear Fission (actuality) 200

Nuclear Fission Theory 455

Organisms on Mars True

Parallel Universe Theory False

Quantum Coherance 460

Quantum Gravity 460

Quantum Mechanics 460

Schrodinger Equations 455

Singularities 455

S-Matrix Theory 455

Spiritual Experience as Consequence of Neuronal Activity 125

"Steady State" Theory of Ongoing Expansion of Universe 405

Stem Cell Research 245

Subparticle Physics 455

Telekinesis True

Teleportation of Quantum States (electrons in ions) 400

United States Space Program 400

von Neuman Process 450

Water on Mars True

Multiple Universes - True

I thought the definition of a "universe" was that there could only be one (uni) of them. I wonder what was actually being tested.

Distant Healing - False

That's just plain wrong. I've been in on several situations where this is happened.

Stem Cell Research - 245

That's surprising. I wonder why?

Nuclear Fission Theory - 455

Good call -- after we've exploded quite a few a-bombs, it would seem the theory has been well-verified.

(Just fooling around, here, MM, but I don't see the point in some of these calibarations.)

Jesus performed healing from a distance, so, I wonder about that one too. Here's another list:

Marginal Spiritual/Religious Belief Systems (Ideology)

Atheist Movement (Ideology) 190

Christian Identity Movement (Ideology) 110

Aum Shenriko Cult 85

Aztec Religion 85

Channeling 195

Crop Circles Extraterrestrial? No

Cults 50-160

Divination 185

DNA Code Theology (Ideology) 160

Easter Island Statues 70

Extraterrestrials Real? No

Fortune Telling 185

Full-Moon Gatherings (New Age) 180

Goddess Movement 190

Heaven's Gate Cult 160

Incan Religion 85

Incoming Fifth World (Ideology) 130

"Left Behind" Apocalyptic Ideology 190

Mayan Religion 95

New Ageism 185

Solar Temple (Ideology) 155

Plasma Energy Orbs (Ideology) 160

Polygamous Sects 135

Raeliens (Ideology) 130

Right-Wing Fundamentalist Christian (Ideology) 95

Secularism 165

Shroud of Turin Real? No

Star Children (Ideology) 160

Star People (Ideology) 160

Starseed Family 145

Tantra (Modern) 95

UFUs Real? No

Urantia Book (Ideology) 150

Wicca (Ideology) 160

The Social Impact of Famous Persons

Astronauts 460

Baker, Josephine 445

Balanchine, George 430

Bell, Alexander Graham 450

Booth, John Wilkes 135

Bryant, William Jennings 450

Carnegie, Andrew 490

Carnegie, Dale 420

Carsen, Rachel 485

Carver, George Washington 435

Chisolm, Shirley 400

Churchill, Winston 510

Columbus Christopher 375

Comstock, Anthony 250

Darrow, Clarence 455

de Mille, Agnes 425

DiMaggio, Joe 480

Duncan, Isadora 460

Earhart, Emilia 395

Eisenhower, Dwight D. 480

F.D.R. Fireside Chats 500

Franklin, Benjamin 480

Geronimo 445

Gorbachev, Mikhail 500

Graham, Martha 420

Henry, Patrick 445

Hoover, J. Edgar 255

Jones, Bobby 485

Keller, Helen 520

Kubler-Ross, Elizabeth 485

LaGuardia, Fiorello 460

Lee, Bruce 480

Lewis and Clark 440

Lindberg, Charles 395

Mandela, Nelson 505

Markova, Alecia 475

Marrick, Joseph, the Elephant Man 590

Najinski 530

Nation, Carrie 235

Nightingale, Florence 465

Oswald, Lee Harvey 180

Peale, Norman Vincent 435

Reagan, Ronald (President) 500

Ruth, Babe 440

Rockne, Knute 455

Rogers, Fred ("Mister Rogers") 500

Roosevelt, Eleanor 495

Ruby, Jack 180

Shriver, Sergeant 460

Sitting Bull 420

Tubman, Harriet 350

Washington, Booker T. 460

Washington, George 455

Wright Brothers 455

Zanuck Daryl 425

Science-Clinical

Acupuncture 405

America's Best Hospitals 450

Clinical Kinesiology 600

Clinical Psychology 380

Consciousness Levels Calibration 605

DBT Psychology 385

Energy Medicine 460

Homeopathy 200

Internal Medicine 440

Medicine, General 440

Medicine Holistic 440

Oriental Medicine 395

Pharmacology 450

Psychiatry 440

Psychoanalysis (Freud) 460

Psychoanalysis (Jung) 460

Surgery 440

MM, I take it that these listing are free game for commentary/critiquing/curmudgeoning.

The Social Impact of Famous Persons

Astronauts 460

Is "social impact" defined as real social impact or as a popularity opinion poll? How, exactly, do astronauts make such a significant social impact? Surely the scientists behind space flight technology do.

Gorbachev, Mikhail 500]

My father was a Gorby fan. I never quite could convince him that he was just a failed Communist who accidentally stumbled into fame by being an even worse economic reforming. The only way to reform Communism is to dump in on the scrap heap of history, something Boris Yeltsin definitely had a hand in.

Hoover, J. Edgar 255

Certainly Hoover has fallen out of favor in recent years. But one could quite easily argue that his impact, while often heavy-handed, was very, very positive in terms of defending us all from some truly bad guys. I�d add another couple hundred points to his score and pull my head out of my PC attitudes.

Washington, George 455

That�s WAY too low. My goodness, why is Eleanor Roosevelt higher at 495? That�s truly a joke.

Rogers, Fred ("Mister Rogers") 500

Well, at least he didn�t screw this one up, even thought that would have been tough to do in this case.

Here is an excellent critique of Hawkins work.
http://tinyurl.com/94vs2

I posted this on a Hawkins Yahoo group forum hoping to get a meaningful discussion going. I believe the points raised by this article are indicative of a pattern of criticism regarding Hawkins work and it was worth throwing around some issues raised.

Ha !! what an idiot I am thinking this was a good idea!

The moderator; God Bless him, he is a nice guy, was not to keen on it and closed the discussion down.

I just feel it�s good to see what others think both good and bad�.
I don�t get reactive either way. I just use it to dig deeper and learn more.

Life is not all green lights!


Michael

PS.- some of the more recent reviews on Truth vs Falsehood on amazon.com have gone down a different road to the initial ones

http://tinyurl.com/djmpr

PSS I was surprised non-voters are at 90 yet anarchists are at 100!!

From the article critiquing Hawkins' approach:

quote:

Truth is central to Hawkins' motivation for developing his system. In his world view, he sees humankind's inability to distinguish between truth and falsehood as its basic defect � a defect that he believes muscle testing will compensate for. He believes that by returning to a "Newtonian" framework of absolute objectivity, which is in essence what he has done, he can get rid of the modern relativism and postmodernism that many of us in modern societies have to reluctantly face. . .

Hawkins wants to unite humankind in an absolute framework of truth. He wants to convince the world that HIS truth is THE objective truth, and he does this by presenting simple muscle-testing as the arbiter of all things. This actually makes him, by definition, a fundamentalist, and is driven by that same fundamentalist drive to convince all people of his reality � a one dimensional calibration of truth from 1 to 1000.

Touche' And that was a superb article, MM. Thank you so much for bringing it to our attention. Maybe you should add it to the end of that other Hawkins thread sometime. Those were the kinds of points I was trying to make, only this author has gone to great lengths to spell them out.

There is a value in all those calibrations, however. As I noted above, they tell us the unconscious perspective Hawkins and co. have on things. Turns out he's a pretty conservative guy who thinks rather highly of his own work.

Edit: tell us more about that forum, MM. What's the URL? Why can't they even discuss an article like this? Do you think they're Hawkins groupies?

quote:

The first clue to the shortcomings of Hawkins' calibration theory is his intellectualism: Force vs Power is a very dry read. Whenever something relatively simple is presented in an intellectual and scientific manner way beyond what is necessary or justifiable, you know that you may well be staring at a nude emperor.

I think that�s a great observation.

quote:

If you strip down Hawkins' work to its bare essentials, you have a man that is basically dowsing for God. He is taking the whisperings of the subconscious as absolute measure of all things, even something as abstract as "truth". But surely, to understand whether this is justified, we need to understand what the subconscious is and what truth is. Without examining these terms, we end up making meaningless assertions, such as "a cat's purr calibrates at 500".

Yep.

MM said: The moderator; God Bless him, he is a nice guy, was not to keen on it and closed the discussion down.

Are you saying that the Hawkins Yahoo group basically will not put up with criticism? Sounds very cultish to me. If so, I�m not surprised. The nature of Hawkins� work always sounded fundamentally flawed and more than a bit odd.

There is a value in all those calibrations, however. As I noted above, they tell us the unconscious perspective Hawkins and co. have on things. Turns out he's a pretty conservative guy who thinks rather highly of his own work.

LOL. Touch� to you as well! I would think that any tool that could help uncover the unconscious would be useful. Perhaps someone has taken that technique and instead of looking for absolutes (which is surely a waste of time using that technique) looks for hidden thoughts and desire. One would think marketers would pay big money for a technique that could show what people really are thinking and what they really desire.

�One would think marketers would pay big money for a technique that could show what people really are thinking and what they really desire.�

You could in a sense but kinesiology has an inherent built in safety factor.

You always ask first before you test �is this question in my highest good and for all concerned�

If you get a �no� then you leave it. That�s it.

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I feel one of the main reasons Hawkins draws criticism is he talks in absolutes, as that article states.

Absolutes are a big No No in a society which has its intellectual and academic structures well entrenched in pluralistic relativism; or the GREEN meme for those familiar with Spiral Dynamics.

Ken Wilber outlines this dilemma well
When pluralistic relativism takes over, it claims that all truth is culturally situated (except its own truth, which is true for all cultures);

it claims that there are no transcendental truths (except its own pronouncements, which transcend specific contexts);

it claims that all hierarchies or value rankings are oppressive and marginalizing (except its own value ranking, which is superior to the alternatives);

it claims that there are no universal truths (except its own pluralism, which is universally true for all people).

Hawkins stance from this point of view looks like a decent back down to the Blue Meme �

Life has meaning, direction, and purpose, with outcomes determined by an all-powerful Other or Order. This righteous Order enforces a code of conduct based on absolutist and unvarying principles of "right" and "wrong." Violating the code or rules has severe, perhaps everlasting repercussions.

Hawkins being the age he is has been brought up is a Blue meme world and that is the way he expresses himself.

His language is not couched in �New age� niceties.

These facts alone are enough to push buttons.


The beauty of systems like Spiral Dynamics it gives you a clue what value filters are being used.

I have been a member on some Hawkins yahoo groups for a couple of years now.

By and large they are a decent bunch. Cultish �.not really

However they are well ensconced in the Green meme �new age� world view. Hence a ill-defined politically and spiritually correct mine field must be tread to deal with these Hawkins devotees.

Or �BOOM!!!!!

Michael