I've been wondering how long this would take, and when it would occur. When I speak to the man on the street, three out of four of whom have not a college education, about the New World Order, I am surprised
again and again by how much the average person actually knows, or think that they know about the subject. People do watch the media and many older people read the newspaper. Denver, Colorado does have the nation's highest number of college degrees per capita, and perhaps that raises the level a bit.

"They're keeping everyone poor, and brainwashing us."

"We're living in a police state."

"They are destroying the economy."

"They are creating a dictatorship."

"I know there is a New Word Order, but I want to be on the winning side."

"They've got us all under their thumb."

"We have to go to war, it's us or them."

"I try not to think about that stuff."

Pretty much average folks. Whatever happened to the "man on the street" interviews? Perhaps someone might say, as on Network, "I'm mad as hell
and I'm not going to take in any more!" They are saying that, I surmise, since Congress polls at 22% approval and the administration at 31%. Obviously, the government is at an all-time low in the mind of the public.

The editors at wikipedia have taken a bold, yet long overdue, IMO, step in an honest direction. The only page which they used to have was the
New_World _Order_(conspiracy) one, which made me feel like a nutbar every time I looked at it.

I read over five thousand posts each by a couple of posters here, who have since left in embarrassment, raving on and on about those bad guys and who should we bomb next and I think I've paid my dues, and perhaps aquired the proverbial
Patience of Job in the process. Whew!

Witness the New Era. It's out of the closet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_world_order

I no longer need feel the cognitive dissonace of
freinds and relatives talking and the media blackout of same. The topic holds up in a general way. The real moonbat stuff no-doubt will be relegated to the other page.

Why is this important? Look up Ron Paul New World Order. Ron Paul is a U.S. Congressman from Texas and he has been speaking openly about the New World Order. He is also running for President of these United States. Will the mainstream media keep him confined to the closet? Yes, for as long as they possibly can. Is he nuts? You tell me. Here are some of his essays:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul-arch.html

If you google Ron Paul, you can see what others are saying about him. I find him refreshingly candid.

shalom,

spoonboy

Some thoughts on definitions of topics, and manners of discussion
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As a copywriter, I deal with words; that�s my livelihood.

One problem that I have here, is the word they.
It�s terribly imprecise. Especially in this context.

Another problem that I have is with New World Order. Yes, I have read the references you cite, and many more. But the term means different things to different people.

Ron Paul is a fascinating politician, as are some of the others you�ve referred to earlier. Perhaps especially those whom it might be fitting to call PaleoConservatives. That�s all fine and well...

I understand where you are coming from, I understand your views, and I share some of them. Nevertheless I have difficulty. One of them being that I don�t find it natural to "connect the dots" in quite the same way.

Of course there are power players who make key decisions behind closed doors! -- including playing king makers. Always have been. It doesn�t take a conspiracy oriented frame of mind to see that.

Dear Michael, a while back you started one thread on Spirituality and Politics, a very worthwhile topic! I objected, however, when you mixed in Conspiracy Theories; and I made the point that these should have their separate threads.

Could have been two wonderful threads! My suggestion was not taken to heart, and as a consequence objective discussion became very difficult.

Perhaps it�s just the way my mind works, but I find it far more difficult to engage in meaningful discussion when the topic is not precisely defined, and the limits of it implicitly or explicitly agreed upon. That doesn�t mean that I don�t stray off-topic on occasion; I know I do. But I tend to back away from discussions that comprise "everything", because it becomes virtually impossible to seek common ground.

Rather than precise argument, and a clear pointing to specifics, we get a huge sweep of the hand that takes in an entire perceived landscape, accompanied by a shotgun of references, and the comment "Look!"

Doesn�t work so well for me. My objection is to form, not content.

I hope you take my post as it is intended.


Respectfully and with best regards,
Olav (HeartPrayer)

From spooner: I read over five thousand posts each by a couple of posters here, who have since left in embarrassment, raving on and on about those bad guys and who should we bomb next . . .

I've been here through it all as well, but don't know who you're talking about. The only two you might mean are Brad and w.c., neither of whom left in embarassment about anything. w.c.'s computer quit working and he's only recently replaced it (so we may hear from him again yet), and Brad quit posting after I asked him (via email) to stay out of the discussions on Christianity since he usually didn't know what he was talking about there and often came across as hostile to Christianity.

New World Order . . . when has that not been happening? Is there a different world order now than there was 50 or 100 years ago? Sure. Has it all been coordinated by an elite group of men smoking cigars and meeting in secret places? No.

The new world order now is being shaped largely by market forces. A large number of multi-national organizations have more money and resources than many nations, and it behooves them to have a stable political order. Some see conspiracy in this (e.g. Trilateral Commission), but I doubt it as many of these companies are in competition with each other. Globalization is an emergent reality; those who oppose it through regulatory means usually shoot themselves in the foot somehow.

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Echoing HP's concern about focus, here.

Ok,

Well, let's see how much I ramble. Today,Al Gore wins the
Nobel Peace prize, along with the U.N. panel on climate change. Since I have never posted anything
from Christopher Hitchens, here goes:

http://slate.com/id/2174590/

Hitchens believes in military solutions. I don't.

"I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient
to acknowledge what everyone knows; the Iraq War is largely about oil."
-Alan Greenspan

"A highwayman is as much a robber when he plunders in a gang as when single; and a nation that makes an unjust war is only a gang." -Ben Franklin

Founding Father after Founding Father have warned us against our present course. Adam Smith, George Washington, John Adams, Abraham Lincoln, Woodrow Wilson, etc.

Our present world militates against Roman Catholic
thinkers John Paul II, Pope Benedict and Thomas Merton, who have condemned atheistic materialism left and right as "totalitarian, marginalizing God, a culture of death."

Congratulations to Al Gore and the U.N. panel for their Nobel Peace Prize, and may be a step in the right direction, but it will take many people working in harmony to defeat the New World Order.

Gandhi had hope for us, yet condemned our system in the strongest possible terms as a pseudo-civilization built on false values.
When asked what he thought of Western Civilization
he replied that it would be a good idea.

Thomas Keating believes that our leaders are unqualified due to "cultural conditioning" and the effects of the "human condition."

"I propose a spiritual revolution." -Dalai Lama.

Here is a list of 257 Bush administration scandals:

http://www.netrootsmass.net/Hugh/Bush_list.html

Saint Augustine had a wonderful idea, The City of God. Yes, Western Civilization would be a good idea, and Roman Catholic Christians have been right out in front supporting it. Ultimately, these ideas will win.

Nothing is "inevitable" unless we say so, whether
militarism or globalization or juntas guarding oil
pipelines. Me must choose. I pray that we choose a
Spritual Revolution. Another world is possible.

shalom,

spoonboy

Spoonage:

What does all of this mean?

Signed,

Blue/Orange and Confused

A good place to begin:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve_System

You have to want to know. That's very important.

"There is a principle that is a bar to all information, which is proof against all arguments,
and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance. That principle is contempt prior to investigation."

-Herbert Spencer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul

shalom,

spoonboy

quote:

Originally posted by spoonboy:
[qb]
"I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient
to acknowledge what everyone knows; the Iraq War is largely about oil."
-Alan Greenspan
[/qb]

I posted Greenspan's clarification of what he meant by that on another thread. Here it is again, in proper context.

- http://www.washingtonpost.com/...AR2007091601287.html

quote:

His main support for Hussein's ouster, though, was economically motivated. "If Saddam Hussein had been head of Iraq and there was no oil under those sands," Greenspan said, "our response to him would not have been as strong as it was in the first gulf war. And the second gulf war is an extension of the first. My view is that Saddam, looking over his 30-year history, very clearly was giving evidence of moving towards controlling the Straits of Hormuz, where there are 17, 18, 19 million barrels a day" passing through.

Greenspan said disruption of even 3 to 4 million barrels a day could translate into oil prices as high as $120 a barrel -- far above even the recent highs of $80 set last week -- and the loss of anything more would mean "chaos" to the global economy.

Given that, "I'm saying taking Saddam out was essential," he said. But he added that he was not implying that the war was an oil grab.

"No, no, no," he said. Getting rid of Hussein achieved the purpose of "making certain that the existing system [of oil markets] continues to work, frankly, until we find other [energy supplies], which ultimately we will."

Show some evidence of reading other's posts and engaging in dialogue. Mostly, you just post the same things again and again, spamming the board with the same quotes, links, and viewpoints, no matter what the discussion. There's little evidence of critical reflection or authentic dialogue in your participation here.

Phil,

What is the Christian basis for support of this government? It is clear that Roman Catholic teaching
opposes fascism. I know that from authoritarian personality theory that 23% of the population will
support an authoritarian leader no matter what crimes they commit, but I believe that we can be free of this, if we pray and seek to know the truth.

I just posted a list of 257 Bush administration scandals. How can you continue to support this?
Frankly is puzzles my that Christian and Roman Catholic teaching would be a threat to anyone.

Lew Rockwell is a Roman Catholic, who is also puzzled by what he describes as Red State Fascism.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/roc...d-state-fascism.html

What I would like to ask you, is, has the state or
it's leader(s) replaced God as a higher power for you, personally and for others in the U.S.?

See Lawrence Britt, "Fascism Anyone" or "George Bush and the 14 Warning Signs of Fascism." It's easy to see. Look up "New World Order Quotes," and you get
a ton of them. You have to want the truth. Very important.

I hope and pray we may overcome this deception and find..

shalom,

spoonboy

Phil,

Greenspan sain it was about oil, and it's still about oil, isn't it?

I can't improve on John Paul II and Benedict and Thomas Merton. Some people think they can.

A look at the illness manifest in the country, as seen by Paul Levy's spot-on analysis:

http://www.awakeninthedream.com/georgews.html

http://www.awakeninthedream.com/ifstronger.html

http://www.awakeninthedream.com/bushnarc.html

He's a Buddhist, and a therapist, which helps.
Perhaps he can be of help to us. I think so.

Peter Wolson, psychoanalyst: http://globalpolicy.org/empire...4/0215narcissism.htm

Malignant egophrenia affects all of us, and admitting it is the first step. Christianity is founded on love, and many have displayed a fear and hatred of various groups on this website.

We can do better, I believe. To do otherwise is to
enter the field of milignant egophrenia. People get caught up in it in opposing Bush or whomever.
They have it too.

As far as narcissists and sociopaths, there are millions of them and some of them live next door.
It is estimated that one per cent of the female population and three per cent of the male population is so afflicted. That would be one and a half million women and four and a half million men. With only two million locked up, that leaves
quite a few running around loose, and many of these people go into politics. It was only a matter of time until one of them got into the White House.

Something I learned from Al-anon: Adult children
have excessive loyalty when the loyalty is undeserved. That's why we like George Bush. Simple. As far as Greenspan, right now he's trying to explain a missing nine billion dollars, that went to Iraq on his watch.

The Fed is a sociopath and the New World Order is a sociopath and admitting it is the first step in doing something about it.

Alot of Christians in this country have been duped
into supporting this government, myself included.

I have posted enough and far more information than required to show that loyalty to Christ demands
a withdrawal of support for the neoconservatives.

"This is the crookedest bunch I've ever seen."
Skull and Bonesman John Kerry, who undoubtedly has seen them all.

Saint Paul's ideas as to how we should live in a currupt world are admirable. We should live in the world but not of the world. To make freinds with the world is to be at emnity with God. Why do you want to cuddle up with these snakes, Phil? They are nominal Christians at best, and should have our pity rather than approval. We are supposed to "turn the world upside down" as Paul said and not to join them in their addictions or hatreds of lust for power.

I don't hate Iraqis or Iranians or Muslims or libs
or gays or even the bankers at the Fed. Not even
Alan Greenspan, who remains incapable of uttering
the truth, which is why he makes the big bucks!

shalom,

is only a thought away,

beyond worship of the emporer or the empire,

spoonboy

OK, spooner, hold forth. I've debated banning you, but I think you serve very well to show what I mean by a Leftist. Amazing how it's the mirror image of the Right, who are also highly conspiratorial about the very same issues.
- http://shalomplace.com/cgi-bin..._topic;f=15;t=000335

Easy enough to contrast your opinions with a thoughtful liberal like HP.

Keep the conspiracy stuff here, OK? Your thread! I won't close it this time.

Over and out . . .

Phil,

Greenspan slithers in for an interview on democracy now:

http://www.democracynow.org/ar...sid=07/09/24/1412226

The naive, the gullible, the credulous children who subscribe to neocenservatism, led around by appeals to their pride and vanity, hateful and eager to murder as they are cowardly in their avoidance of military service, are
difficult in the extreme to endure, betray John Paul II, and yes, they believe that anyone who disagrees with them is a leftist. Brad once tried to tell me that Pat Buchanan was a leftist. It's pure emotion and they seem altogether incapable of rational and critical thought. It requires much patience...

AMH,

It would seem that you require the actual list of names and organizations who participate in the New
World Order, and may not know that one family controls the price of diamonds and five London bankers fix the price of gold each morning. No Phil, I don't know if they smoke cigars.

http://www.pehi.eu/organisations/Pilgrims_Society.htm

http://www.pehi.eu/AppendixA.htm

Really, if one does not understand the relationship of the Fed to the need for perpetual warfare, how can one begin to understand how politics work? Best go to WhiteHouse.gov and pick up the daily talking points for sheep2Bsheered.net. Take the blue pill and sleep, sleep, sleep...

sweet dreams and,

shalom,

spoonboy

Seventy-five years ago, we had a Ron Paul, a Barry Goldwater, and his name was McFadden. He told the truth about Alan Greenspan's employer and, although slightly more honest than the Taliban and Al-Queda, constitutes a far greater betrayal to our principles then Benedict Arnold.

http://www.modernhistoryprojec...2&Entity=FedResBoard

Just about a week ago I spoke to a man who spent fifteen years behind bars for check-kiting. Alan Greenspan has done no time whatsoever for doing the same thing. Pretty good work if you can get it.

Would anyone consider the effective repeal of the
Declaration of Independence and the Constitution to be the establishment of a New World Order?

"The truth, you can't handle the truth!"

-Jack Nicholson as Colonel Jessep, A Few Good Men

shalom,

spoonboy

Louis T. McFadden

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_T._McFadden

quote:

McFadden was known as openly anti-Semitic. [citation needed]He claimed that Jews controlled the American economy,[citation needed] and that the United States had to choose between "God and the money changers who have unlawfully taken our gold and lawful money into their possession."[1] McFadden also blamed Jews for President Roosevelt's decision to abandon the gold standard, and claimed that "in the United States today, the Gentiles have the slips of paper while the Jews have the lawful money."[2]

McFadden is also remembered for his criticism of the Federal Reserve, which he claimed was created and operated by European banking interests who conspired to economically control the United States. On June 10, 1932, McFadden made a 25-minute speech before the House of Representatives, in which he accused the Federal Reserve of deliberately causing the Great Depression. McFadden also claimed that Wall Street bankers funded the Bolshevik Revolution through the Federal Reserve banks and the European central banks with which it cooperated

I knew the Jews had something to do with it.....if he only could've stopped them back then we wouldn't have had .......what exactly?

quote:

McFadden died in 1936 on a visit to New York City,

The Jews got him before he could stop them from controlling the world, then Hitler got involved, because the Jews that control the Fed were actually pumping money into Germany (from the other link) so that the Jews could exterminate themselves. This, of course, was after they took over Hollywood, the Catskills and vaudeville.

http://www.2spare.com/item_43133.aspx

quote:

Microsoft sends messages on Wingdings Font

The Wingdings Font included with Windows has a history of controversy. In 1992, only days after the release of Windows 3.1, it was discovered that the character sequence "NYC" in Wingdings was rendered as Skull and crossbones symbol, Star of David, and thumbs up gesture. This could be interpreted as a message of approval of killing Jews, especially those from New York City.

Microsoft strongly denied this was intentional, and insisted that the final arrangement of the glyphs in the font was largely random. Various other combinations of Wingings characters are alleged to have special significance by conspiracy theorists, but these results are likely purely coincidental.

Yeah, right....like I believe that, Microsoft!

Spoonage:

This is for you, my friend!

http://www.cjnetworks.com/~cubsfan/conspiracy.html

quote:

Confused about how the world works? Why not make sense of it all with a grand conspiracy theory! However, there are just too many of these floating around. Here, courtesy of Turn Left you can come up with a Wacko Right Wing Conspiracy Theory of your very own. Simply enter your selections, click the button at the bottom of the page and print it out. You'll be the hero of your next militia meeting. Have fun, and remember... They are Watching You !

AMH,

The case of Adolph Eichmann comes to mind whenever I
think of you, and the long journey which you must embark upon toward liberation. I want very much to help you. God's compassion compels me to do so.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Eichmann

He was a psychologically well adjusted individual in every respect, and was not an anti-Semite. He was just caught up in an evil system, as we all are in the United States. This is what Hannah Arendt means by "the banality of evil."

The fact that you appear to be angry with me and feel that you wish to shoot the proverbial messenger, and quite likely feel quite righteous and justified in doing so, only illustrates my point further, and emphasizes the fact of the distortion, the space which has been created between reality and your percieved "Truth."

Consider this man, a focus of controversy and an important part of neoconservative demonology:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ward_Churchill

He referred to the people working in the World Trade Center on September 11th, 2001 were like
"little Eichmanns." This seems very cruel to the grieving families, and perhaps is the case. Ward Churchill is very angry person, having done his homework on the nature of the U.S. Imperium.

If he develops further, he may forgive everyone for being the "little Eichmanns" which we are, and come to realize that the vast majority of people,
including those who the system call "educated," haven't the foggiest notion of how the system works.

Ward Churchill was fired recently, which is how the system responds to troublemakers who tell us
unleasant truth about ourselves. "Shoot the messenger" becomes the order
of the day.

Phil is taking the high road here, which vastly increases my already considerable respect for him, and should be proof enough that the Holy Spirit abides in him. Blessed is Phil!

I watched the Hour of Power with Robert Schuller
and as usual, I thought of Phil. I say, this fellow is just like Phil. He is freinds with the Bush family, supports the Iraq War, and has invited Rupert Murdoch to a conference at his church.

As much as I love Robert Shuller, and can respect that he is a genuine Christian and has a theological doctorate and other qualities and qualifications which I deeply admire, I would have to say that he too, is a "little Eichmann" of sorts, since he seems to remain ignorant of how the system works, and continues to lend it his support. From red pill reality, it's a crying shame!

The media will likely never tell you how the system works, as they would very much like to keep their jobs. Your Congressman will not likely tell you for the same reason, unless you are fortunate enough to have Ron Paul for a Congressman.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Goldwater

http://en.wikipedia.org/Barry_T_McFadden

"The press is the hired agent of a moneyed system,
set up for no other reason than to tell us lies where their interests are concerned."
Henry Adams

"When the Federal Reserve Act was passed, the people of the United States were to be lowered to a coolie country which has nothing but raw materials and have goods for export; that Russia [China, India...] was destined to supply the man power and this country was destined to supply finacial power to an international superstate-- a superstate controlled by international bankers and international indistrialists acting together to enslave the world for their own pleasure."

-Louis T. McFadden, June 10, 1932

This reality exists whether AMH choose to believe is or not, and Alan Greenspan, at best is a little
Eichmann, to give him the benefit of the doubt, and something far worse if he actually comprehends what he is doing, and so are many others who have conspired to keep it going for the last 94 years.

Anyways, the best of luck with your blue pill diet, but now that you have been told the honest red pill reality, you are from this moment forward
responsible for what you choose to know or remain
willingly ignorant of. It's on your shoulders.

P.S. I saw that little article which you posted a few months ago and it's good for grins and giggles, which are inportant, especially if you bear the weight of knowing the truth.

Stephen Neitzke, may his tribe increase, reveals
the conspiracy and speaks of a "wall slamming, mouth smashing populist politics" coming soon to an American near you. I do hope that cooler heads prevail, but they probably won't.

http://www.populistamerica.com...titutional_criminals

This has Alan Greenspan bemoaning the next thirty years of populist politics and William F. Buckley
fretting about thirty years of Democratic Party dominance. We'll see, but I don't trust anyone with that long in power. Look how the GOP ruined the country in only twelve years!

sincerely wishing that all may come out of an oppressed mind and know the liberating, although discomforting truth and the

shalom, "which passeth understanding"

(and thank you for my nickname)

spoonboy

quote:

I watched the Hour of Power with Robert Schuller
and as usual, I thought of Phil. I say, this fellow is just like Phil. He is freinds with the Bush family, supports the Iraq War, and has invited Rupert Murdoch to a conference at his church.

Just to set the record straight for those who might be dropping in for the firs time:
1. I'm not friends with the Bush family.
2. I don't support the war, but I do believe the U.S. has an ethical responsibility to stay in Iraq until such time as the government there can get along without us.
3. I don't know Murdoch, and he hasn't had a conference at my church, either.

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spooner, some parts of your rant above are sounding anti-Semitic. Are you sure that helps your cause?

Phil,

Schuller is a straight shooter and a stand up guy,
which is why he reminds me of you.

Now that you mention it, I am a little down on AIPAC. Washington warned us about entangling alliances, etc. There are perhaps six seats in congress which could survive criticism of AIPAC.
A sad situation.

Another professor to be purged in the current witchhunt is this fellow:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_G._Finkelstein

His views are outside the mainstream, but denying
him tenure through political pressure is also outside the mainstream of our tradition of academic freedom.

Now what could I have possibly said that could in any way be construed as anti-semitic? You crack me up. Wait until I post some Pat Buchanan and some Justin Raimondo. Then the accusations will really fly. They don't affect me much, as I can see though the game now. One fellow said to me that only an anti-semite would say "neocon." Arabs are semitic, BTW.

shalom,

spoonboy

I'm listening to Desmond Tutu's speech at the University of St. Thomas, the one he was prohibited
from making and then allowed to make. There was a big flap over it. I found the speech on the anarchist radio station, since it's not likely to be
found on the corporate media. Not that long ago, New
York banned the play about Rachel Corrie. Let the play go on and let Tutu make his speech, and let the ADL call him a bigot. I'm ok with it. I don't want to offend anyone, but some make a business out of being offended, as Finkelstein has often pointed out.

From transrational consciousness, there is not a problem. The Dalai Lama urges everyone to stop the violence. Blessed are the peacemakers.

They have AA meetings in Israel, and since everyone has admitted that they no longer have the luxury of holding resentments, you can find Muslims, Christians and Jews all getting along fine. Perhaps there is a twelve step program for the "violently political" or the "peacefully challenged."
"Blessed are the cheesemakers." -Monty Python

Tutu's last book was excellent, and although I may not agree with his views of the Middle East, I admire him very much. All I had to let go of was my preconcieved ideas about him.

as Tutu would say, salaam and shalom, spoonboy

AMH,

This is especially 4U. The failure of imperialism from a Marxist viewpoint:

http://marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/imp-hsc/

We could have learned this back in 1916

The failure of imperialism from a capitalist viewpoint:

http://www.mises.org/story/2383

We might have learned this in 1936

The failure of globalization and corporatism by it's own standards:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ralston_Saul

We may have learned this in 1996

Neoconservatism has pretty much failed all the way
'round. Now who is promoting conspiracy?

shalom,

spoonboy

quote:

I want very much to help you. God's compassion compels me to do so.

Thank you!

quote:

The fact that you appear to be angry with me

You're projecting here; not even close!

quote:

and feel that you wish to shoot the proverbial messenger, and quite likely feel quite righteous and justified in doing so, only illustrates my point further, and emphasizes the fact of the distortion, the space which has been created between reality and your percieved "Truth."

I was wondering where that draft was was coming from.....

quote:

Originally posted by spoonboy:
[qb] AMH,

The case of Adolph Eichmann comes to mind whenever I
think of you, and the long journey which you must embark upon toward liberation. I want very much to help you. God's compassion compels me to do so...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Eichmann

[/qb]

Dear Michael,

Forgive me, but I am feeling more that a bit uncomfortable with some of your recent posts. Please reconsider what you are saying, and the tone in which you are saying it.

Best regards,
HeartPrayer

quote:

Just to set the record straight for those who might be dropping in for the first time:

With regards to myself, I have never lived in Argentina under an assumed name.

AMH,

It's not a subtlety too difficult to grasp, it's more that people don't want to grasp it, and find it easier to dislike Ward Churchill for reminding them. Deep inside somewhere, in their innermost turquoise meme, they know...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Eichmanns

Lot's of them read the Weekly Standard, and think like this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T...in_American_Politics

Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean that people are not out to get you, and the conspiracy
at the Fed is factual and provable, and a little know fact of American life. Can't get around that.

Just for grins and giggles:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Hippie,_Die

Churchill got it from someone else. Do you like movies?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boys_from_Brazil

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marathon_Man

I'm like the cross-eyed discus thrower, I don't set any records, but I keep the crowd alert.

I am endeavoring to remain patient, having posted
these truths many times over and over and as Pink
Floyd said, "and after all, it's not easy banging your head up against some mad bugger's wall."

The Paradigm Conspiracy reveals why we have such thick heads due to cultural conditioning:

http://www.biomindsuperpowers....adigmConspiracy.html

http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~sai/paradcon.htm

I have been impatient, and considering that television induces a trance state, most people have spent years in front of one, and the media has powers over what people believe far greater than anything I can post here, so I must repeat myself hundreds of times in an effort to overcome cultural conditioning. I shall endeavor to patiently persevere...

He who has ears to hear and eyes to see...

Heartprayer,

Congratulations are in order, as Norway has scored
#1, Ireland #2 and the U.S. last of industrialized nations on environmental goals. Just one reason, along with media failure, educational failure, health care deteriorization, infant mortality,
failure of minorities to reach old age, militarization at home and abroad, corporate crime, corrupt government, 739 military bases plus
another 300 "black" bases (40% of the military budget is black) domestic surveilance, police state apparatus, presidential signing statements, repeal of FISA, a corrupt judiciary and justice department, Iran Contra felons re-employed, sold-
out politicians, rigged elections, censorship, civil rights violations, torture, authoritarianism, failure of congress to perform it's oversight and failure of citizens to provide
oversight of congress, and a host of other indicators that we in the West and particulary in the U.S. of A are failing as Gandhi predicted we would, being based on ever-increasing wants, now leading to ever increasing want.

If we want to see Adolf Eichmann, all we need to do is seek the nearest mirror. This is especially true of the war, IMO, if we believe that is is wrong and "shut up and sing" like we're supposed to.

"I'm a Communist, I'm a Fascist, I'm a Buddhist, I'm everything!" -the Dalai Lama, Peacejam, Denver, 2006 (He recieves the Congressional Gold Medal from the President Tuesday)

My views on the war, as expressed by Ron Paul:

http://www.cdapress.com/blogs/..._id=118&entry_id=412

Surrender should not be an option, and once we know of the conspiracy at the Fed and the New World Order, we have a responsibility as citizens.

Since Nuremberg, "I was just following orders." is
unacceptable. I have a brother with the Tenth Mountain Division who shipped out to Iraq about a month ago, and I am supporting him in the baest way I can here on the home front. I haven't told him that I have ten trillion reasons why I believe
he is there, the dollar value of the oil reserves.

Like Marine General Peter Pace, who stood up to Bush and helped to stop a war with Iran, I hope my brother has the will to refuse any unjust orders which he may recieve.

The solders overwhelmingly support Ron Paul. I think they know something...

After all, "War is a Racket."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler

I know that I sound cranky, but I just came from a delightful stroll among the lovely Colorado multicolored autumn exhibition of Creation's Beauty, and found a wonderful devotional for October at the barbershop, which mentioned many saints who are dear to me, many of whom faced persecutions from those entrusted with authority.

I have much to learn and miles to go before I sleep or reach

shalom,

spoonboy

Another way, brothers and sisters, of saying little Eichmanns, is to speak of "Good German Syndrome."
Have I shut me eyes to unspeakable acts, like the half million children who starved during the 1990s, about whom Secretary of State Madalein Albright said, "We think is was worth it.", or the two thirds of a million who have died from bullets, depleted uranium, white phosphorous and other causes. Am I being a "Good German." Am I in a state of willful ignorance about the New World Order, or the twenty year estimate of how long the war with Iran will last, etc. Something I have to think about sometimes. Today's NYT:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10...html?ref=todayspaper

http://www.thirdworldtraveler....German_Syndrome.html

http://www.thirdworldtraveler....mer_GoodGermans.html

http://www.informationclearing...info/article7424.htm

http://www.informationclearing...nfo/article18291.htm

Sure Ward Churchill is eccentric, but he wrote about little Eichmanns three years before Fox news picked it up. It's a fine line between genius and insanity, and remember, Eichmann tested normal...

Should you think me a tad bit extreme:

"Let me remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue." -Senator Barry Goldwater

shalom,

a place, for Bad Germans,

spoonboy