there is a lot of music out there and rumors, and talk in the air of this serpent power... it seems to be a part of all cults, not just yoga... but it is now being taught to christians in the form of revelation. and although this may be wrong right off the bat, there is a possibility that becoming concious is not the sin, but rather what you do with that conciousness that then becomes the sin, however... i have repeatedly heard "don't forget to breathe" on radio, tv, and in conversation... that alone may have been all it took, however, I am sure that this cannot come into fruition without some sort of choice or subconcious intention of being. of possible grandeur or heroic change.

that being said, I continually get "vibes" (a word so commonly used with out true understanding) saying that this may be bad... here are just a few... because they are all over, all around.

for instance, one of the most well known satanist, Aleister Crowley, was deep into yoga.

http://www.hermetic.com/crowley/yoga/

I also find yoga on most witchcraft websites and stuff like this too...

(you may want to turn down the intro)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jENyt0Udm8w
i have seen many more...

if you just type into youtube kundalini, some of the images are disturbing...

ranging from gurus meaning god, tantrik sex to create the power, and the serpent of fire...

things just erk me the wrong way at times, and I think that it is healthy to discuss these things.

Reading your post, I am sorry to hear that you are being ‘erked’ the wrong way at times. This must be quite disturbing for you.

For me, its like looking for reds under the beds, so I choose to not focus on witchcraft websites etc., but to “Keep my mind on the higher things......

I am also reminded of that beautiful quote, Don’t look at the world and see what the world needs and go do that - instead look at what gives you life, and go do that, because what the world needs are people who have come alive?

So while you are going through this process of kundalini opening, what is it that gives you life? Where do you find joy contentment?


I dont know if you have a spiritual director, but if not, why not find one who is grounded in reality as well as in Christ, who might hear you, and your fears ,which are being triggered by so many things. And remember Jesus breathed upon his disciples. Ruah is Holy, and God’s breath will sustain you. So when you hear people on the radio saying “Just breathe” this breath eventually will bring them to some level of consciousness. Who are we to judge?

Who or what is it that ‘breathes us?

Blessings

thank you for your concerns. I appreciate the loving touch you add to your writing. It is very soothing. however, I am not implying that I am fearful of these things, rather that I am aware of them. I am trying not to pretend that these things don't exist within the same network of conciousness that we are entering, or have already entered into. To me, there is a difference between fear, and discernment and that having a healthy fear of the Lord, I understand his wrath against those who are practicing witchcraft, or satanism. So that beings said, I want to point out the caution that I feel about this, so that I can properly asses whether what is happening to me is of God or of the devil. The only fear here, is that Im might be missing out on some truth that if this thing is evil, how to stop it... but if I am in fact completely wrong here, I would be greatful to be shown where in the bible it talks about an awarness of different dimensions and how this snake can take you to it. Not that it isnt in the bible, but that its not black and white. and discussing these thing I believe is healthy. I just want to make sure that some sort of evil intention within me isnt the cause of this, that it is purely God's will for my life, but have not been made sure of that yet... before this all happened and i was going to church regularly and was in constant communication with God, there was no doubt that I was on the correct path, the narrow path. however, this has occured in a part of my life that was not totally rendered to light, and since it has happened, i have learned more about myself, then about God. and I just dont know ... is it the wasteland of testing that israelites went through, or when Jesus was tested in the wasteland...? or, is this the result of some subconcious test that i have already failed? not that I know, but, I'd just like to talk about the pros and cons here... not just the pros...

sftm, I think your concerns are valid and the discernment you seek important. I'm wondering if you've read the whole thread, however, as there have been abundant cautions expressed, especially by shasha and samson. There's no official "pro-kundalini" position here in that no one is trying to encourage anyone to get on the kundalini bandwagon. Participants here have generally had experiences similar to yours: we were on the Christian journey, then this process was ignited.

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before this all happened and i was going to church regularly and was in constant communication with God, there was no doubt that I was on the correct path, the narrow path. however, this has occured in a part of my life that was not totally rendered to light, and since it has happened, i have learned more about myself, then about God. and I just dont know ...

So there you go! The process was awakened in the context of faithful Christian living, but now you "just don't know." I would suggest that there's a gift in that "not-knowing" -- an invitation to a deeper level of faith, trust and commitment. That "wasteland" the Hebrews went through was very formative -- the period between being a victimized people-of-captivity to a more God-centered nation.

I strongly second Clare's suggestion of spiritual direction. See http://sdiworld.org to find out who's available in your area.

no it occured in a part of my life that was not totally rendered to light... hence the doubt. but i agree with you in the invitation to a deeper level of faith and what not. but i just thought this would be good place to discuss the cons.

id really like to hear if people here have had visions or communications with spirits/angels/God... etc. to discern the outcome of that, would give us all some insight on how to approach a communication if in fact it is an inevetable part of this... i mean the whole third eye awakening to a different "dimension"... if that has happened for people here, would love to hear about that experience, what has happend or what is still happening... as far as contact with other spirit, or lack thereof...

sftm, check out the Transformative Experiences forum for testimonies of contacts with angels, etc. Perhaps a new discussion thread on the third eye would be a good topic to pursue and this forum would be a good one for it, if you'd like to start us off.

thanks phil, i will do that...

any other thoughts on this?

heres a song out right now that is another reason I see...

this was a commercial the other day too on nbc.

"everybodys back poppin"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJGxa8tNmz8

thanks Mt. for your post. here is an article i found bye this guy... its very good information

http://www.ccr.org.uk/archive/gn0711/g01.htm

also, heres another youtube video i found about the third eye, witchcraft and demons.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TzFPJObTOo

very good video i really recommend it.

sftm, we've talked about Fr. Verlinde on another thread.
- see http://shalomplace.org/eve/for...=237108351#237108351

Interesting video on 3rd eye. Poor chap had fallen into all sorts of dark practices. I completely disagree with him that 3rd eye opening or seeing auras is from evil spirits. Lots of Saints saw auras and most mystics have an open 3rd eye. Generalizing for everyone else based on one's recovery from bad experiences is never a good idea!

phil that link that you posted is this same thread. just an fyi. and the article was never posted, Mt just mentioned it. So i wanted to share it. I hope that is ok.

and you just generalized by saying its never a good idea to generalize. right? but shouldnt we generalize sometimes, like when the bible says never practice witchcraft or when it says never fornicate? or when it says, never steal? isnt that a generalization?

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phil that link that you posted is this same thread. just an fyi. and the article was never posted, Mt just mentioned it. So i wanted to share it. I hope that is ok.

I posted that same website on Fr. Verlinde on page 1 of this thread, just a couple down from Mt's post mentioning Verlinde. And there's some brief discussion around it there you may have missed.

I agree with Phil's point about the chap on the video (is that Fr. V?), that he's hastily concluding that all third eye openings must come from evil spirits. I'm not questioning this interpretation of his own experience, but other people's experiences don't support this generalizaiton, as Phil points out.