The Kundalini Process: A Christian Understanding
by Philip St. Romain
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Kundalini Energy and Christian Spirituality
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I started doing the TRE (Trauma Release) technique a few days ago; which is mostly deliberately inducing involuntary trembling. Now, on the second attempt, yesterday, my body went from the involuntary (but pleasant) trembling to shaking then to making these weird movements for well over an hour. Whole body contortions, first started with my head and neck, and moved on to my torso, and all my limbs, involved my hands/feet, fingers/toes, then my head and face, AND NONE OF THEM WERE CAUSED BY ME!

If I hadn't read about Kundalini in passing in the past, and heard about spontaneous postures, I would have screamed and ran off to find an exorcist right after!!!!! This must be the strangest experience I've had in a while: my body seemed to be operating with its own intelligence, quite independently of me! (Well, my 'usual' me).

I'm not sure why the TRE would cause it; I've been reading about it since yesterday and this does not seem typical. Only the trembling and shaking, maybe movements from side to side. But I was doing these crazy things, with a lot of strength too!! Best I can say is it seemed to me I was posing and moving like all sorts of animals, then freezing there for a moment, before changing my pose or relaxing. At one point I was so twisted up, it was like my limbs and body were trying to do circus acts or something.

I'm not sure what the point was to be honest. I've noted something in my back (emotional pain plus back tensions) for a while and I've been trying to heal it using somatic experiencing; Just 'going in' to the pain and trying not to shut down/run away. I started doing it after coming across Peter Levine's work on trauma in the body. It is painful and can be scary but freeing. But this particular pain in my back had been too terrifying, so I started watching it with loving non-judgment (much as I could handle). So I'm not sure if the weird postures yesterday were trying to aid that. To me, a lot of them (not all) looked like they were targeting my back/spine for extreme stretching.

EDIT// I should also clarify that it went on for well over an hour (closer to two) and I eventually thought I should stop it (was exhausted by then!) and then just consciously shut it down. But later, I still experienced tiny bits of it during the day, and when I did a visualization at night. I also feel the effects of the movement today (the fatigue!!) in my neck/lower back of my head.

I should also say, I've done some some of those weird movements on my own for a few months now (since I started somatic experiencing and some Metta and Vipassana observing, around January) but that was more comparable to a need to scratch an itch inside/stretch, you know? I was feeling the need to do those things with my hands and stretch my back, to feel better due to the emotional "trauma points" inside, but it was like an impulse, sort of like the impulse to yawn/stretch. You're still doing it even if it's to follow an impulse/need. (Except for the face/mouth, which, when I would focuss on the inner itches/pains, would do the weird face things as a nerve thing, I guess).

Yesterday was something else, though! No impulse/need- Just the body acting like an invisible marionette was behind the whole thing, only it didn't feel 'evil' and I could still feel/experience my body the whole time, though I wasn't telling it what to do! Just observing it in utter amazement the whole time and realizing that I really do have much less control over my body than I typically take for granted.

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Hi, St. Rubia, nice to see you again. As you know, I’m not a kundalini expert, but I believe these spontaneous movements are called “kundalini kriyas” or just “kriyas” for short. Here is a page Google brought up for me: https://ourlightbody.com/index...are-kundalini-kriyas
 
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UPDATE!!!Thank you, Derek! That's informative. I guess this is a good month to finally get both Phil's books on Kundalini, just in case! I mean, I haven't felt any snake moving up my spine or anything Smiler but ya never know. Speaking of, I should do an update.

I experienced them again during visualization/meditation last evening, then again today while saying the Rosary as I sat at the edge of my bed. The ones that happened during Rosary were very pleasant! The body seemed to instinctively follow the sentiments of my prayer. When I was thinking of our Lady in a humble way, my body would form itself in a humble gesture: bend my head, as if I was bowing, and place my hands on top of each other, facing up (open palms) on my laps etc. The more humble the inner posture, the lower my body bent. When visualizing the Transfiguration, I had the thought of the Lord's face shining like the sun and my head instinctively faced up, open chest, towards the sun. On and on.

After the Rosary, I fell on my back on the bed flat, hands out, feet still on the ground, then body started dancing along spine and legs, a bit like a snake-dance, and legs starts going into one another and my hand started dancing a bit like those traditional dancing girls in the East, with the hands and fingers and everything. But the whole time I felt a warm energy all along my spine. Very pleasant. Anyway, inside, I decided to surrender the whole thing to God (was relating it to other life problems). I now no longer feel the fatigue in my neck; it's all really nice.

Another weird one is in my head. I mean INSIDE my head. All around the head. A kind of pleasant, moving pressure/self-massage? Anyway, that's all I have for an update.

I have not felt anything in the base of my spine, so I doubt it's Kundalini. I read around found another related phenomenon they call pranotthana. Apparently, it's prana/energy work but without Kundalini. Kundalini means something very specific.

What's happening to me seems to be completion (or taking it to another level) of the healing work I deliberately began with somatic experiencing (and observing) to heal myself psychologically, several months ago. That either triggered this pranotthana, or the pranotthana is a grace granted me perhaps in answer to my strong prayer/desire to heal emotionally.
 
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St. Rubia, I echo Derek's welcome, and thank you for your sharing.

First: my books do not speak about a snake going up the spine. Big Grin Just had to get that out of the way.

As you'll note in my book on The Kundalini Process, I don't really consider K a type of energy. It's simply the movement of bios, chi, prana -- whatever term one uses for the bio-electricity that flows through our bodies. What K refers to is the movement of this energy unto cleansing the subtle energy channels that flow through our tissues to sustain higher, contemplative states of consciousness, which you seem to be experiencing. But energy movements in the body can be experienced for other reasons as well -- massage, for example, or therapies like Somatic Experience and EMDR (my wife is a psychotherapist who uses both and sees these energy movements all the time). Energy work such as you've had can be a complement to contemplative consciousness, and it sounds like that's what's going on.

As Derek noted, these energy movements you've described are called kriyas. They eventually do come to pass. I talk about some that I've experienced in my first book on K; I haven't had them for years.

Keep us posted, and enjoy the ride! Smiler
 
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Thanks, Phil! I was kidding about the snake, ha ha! I just got the books (epub); but I notice there's an online course too: Would you recommend it too or is it the same stuff as in the books?

Also, a question. It's really quite embarrassing to ask, and I apologize if it makes you as uncomfortable to read as it makes me to write it! But...does this type of thing sometimes get 'stuck' in the lower spine and make you feel like you're having a weird constipation? The urge to move it up or down and out is intense! The last kriya were happening here, shaking my behind vigorously and I think it was trying to get rid of that stuck feeling.

It kept alternating between shaking/dancing my bottom/lower spine + legs (with sweetness felt in the legs! Even in the toes...so strange); and my head massage/pressure thing + smooth rolling of the head on neck, with sweetness felt in my face/head especially the forehead. So it would do that in the head for a moment and stop, then a while later, the bottom would start, then stop; then back to the head. Etc etc.

Anyway, just had to ask! Who knows, maybe it really was just constipation!Big Grin

They've slowed down a bit now, by the way; at least today: so I don't know if this was only a temporary thing or if it'll return again. I do feel a very faint warmth and sweetness in my forehead, and sometimes in my hands and I've done a few hand/finger freezing things and a few shoulder twitches but that's it.

By the way, word of caution to anyone reading! Sometimes going online will scare you! Some pple out there think this is demonic and that kind of fear sometimes gets into my head even though I don't feel this is evil. I get the need to ask, "Am I being deceived?"
 
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Oh no! Now the 'constipation' feeling has moved a little 'up' but to the side and is very uncomfortable! Confused Basically my right lower back plus sitting area; I feel like I must sit onesidely to be comfortable.
 
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St. Rubia, all sorts of "ordeals" can and do happen, though I've never had the "constipation" experience you're describing. When the energy encounters constrictions and blockages, it can feel intense and uncomfortable in that place, with occasional "breakthroughs" until the area is purified. The kriyas actually help to move things along. Sometimes massage and chiropractic work can help, too.

I don't know what online course you mean. I do have an audio series on the chakra system, but it's not so focused on the k process like the books are. I am planning to do a video series on kundalini sometime in the near future. I wanted to begin by doing one on the Holy Spirit, and that was accomplished last summer.
See http://shalomplace.com/inetmin
 
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Notice how your attention interacts with the energy, and how you can influence it with your attention and will. It's natural to want to help "push" it this way or that, but far better to be "with" it in open and acceptance, even welcoming it, allowing it to unfold "within" your attention rather than taking a stance toward it as an extraneous force. It is, after all, your energy, part of who you are, and even though the Ego seems external to it, the larger Self from which the Ego emerges is not. You might think of K as the energy of the deep Self, which is awakening and extending its influence throughout your body-psyche-spirit system. Or course, ask Christ and his Spirit to be with you and show you how to co-operate with the process.
 
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It is, after all, your energy, part of who you are, and even though the Ego seems external to it, the larger Self from which the Ego emerges is not. You might think of K as the energy of the deep Self, which is awakening and extending its influence throughout your body-psyche-spirit system.


Ah, that makes so much sense, even though I don’t have the practical experience you guys do.
 
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