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Here's a paper by Ralph Martin, my first teacher of the Carmelite Saints. I thought some of you might enjoy his teaching on this subject.

http://www.renewalministries.n...ature/Char_Cont..pdf

He addresses what he sees as a "wide-spread impression that the contemplative and the charismatic are contradictory, not complementary..."

Ralph corrects misunderstandings he's gathered from comments like:

"I used to be charismatic but now I've gone on to the contemplative" and

"I much prefer the quiet of contemplative prayer and could never be a charismatic" and

"How could you encourage the expression of charismatic gifts? Don't you realize what John of the Cross says about these kinds of spiritual experiences?"

Thanks, Ralph!
 
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Yes, good paper by Ralph Martin. If you know him, give him my regards, though I suspect he'd be one who'd think I'd fallen off the deep end with kundalini and has probably written me off because of my book. I hope I'm wrong about that, however.

It's true that JOC did not condemn charismatic gifts; what he discouraged was the seeking after consolations, however, which charismatics are sometimes prone to do (also Marianists and many others).
 
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