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| <HeartPrayer>
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President Bill Clinton gave an excellent speech at the Democratic National Convention. Here�s a transcript.
You can also read it below... |
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Yes, it was a good endorsement. He and Hilary certainly can't be accused of dividing the Party. If Obama loses, it will not be because the Clintons didn't back him at the Convention.
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Actually, it had more to do with Ross Perot... ------- The Clinton's said all the right things, which you knew they would. |
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Responding to Bill Clinton:
What, exactly, qualifies his "readiness"? You yourself said many times during the campaign that he was inexperienced and basically unelectable. I hope you're not looking back to your Presidency as the "golden age" of "influence." A few reminders: 750,000 killed in Rwanda . . . the rise of Al Qaeda and their constant attacks on U.S. embassies and other targets . . . Black Hawk Down, which emboldened our enemies. Yes, the Balkans were a fine moment, but there were those others. And let's not forget that the first three years of this decade featured a 50% decline in the stock market, largely due to the tech bubble that had blown up during the 90s (your presidency) finally bursting. Also, I dispute some of your stats. Mr. Bush did get a prescription drug benefit for Medicare recipients passed, and it's made a huge difference. Also, Bush got legislation passed for Health Savings Accounts. I don't recall your admin getting anything like these two accomplished. Which one is that? The one that reduced Carter's "misery index" from 22 to 8? The one that brought about an end to the Soviet empire? That all laid the groundwork for the prosperity and peace during your Presidency. Keep talking to us about health insurance. You did have your chance. Yes, Bush the deficits are up; no one likes that. But your surpluses were because of huge tax increases, a bubble economy, and no 9/11. Again on the health insurance issue! How many times are you going to shoot yourself in the foot? It's just false that "tax-cuts for the rich" lead to deficits. There's more tax income to the government now because of it. The "rich" don't hide their money under the mattress, but, generally, invest it. Capital gains taxes, in particular, which Obama plans to raise, were lowered under Bush, encouraging more investment. Also, the Bush tax cuts weren't just for the rich. We are middle-classers, and we paid around 1,500 less after Bush's first year than we paid during your last year. Our taxes went up during your admin, not down. That "era of peace" was handed to you, thanks to the Presidencies of Reagan and Bush I. So was the prosperity, which collapsed toward the end of your term. - - - Some might feel "pumped" about hearing this sort of spin, but I can't tolerate more than 5 minutes of it. I tried listening to Obama tonight, but had to just turn off the TV after a short while. It'll probably be the same with the Republicans. Too bad! Not much real statesmanship or education happening at these conventions. They're an insult to the intelligence of informed Americans. |
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Wow....Was that Sean Hannity or Phil with the blistering retort!!!
---- I agree with you regarding the conventions - I think I said this elsewhere, but they really are big pep rallies. I checked out the coverage this week, but I am like you - I can only listen to so much of that, and I will feel the same way about the Republican Convention. --- |
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LOL. Well, I just need to NOT listen to the Clintons speak; it's better for my blood pressure. What I'm looking forward to are the actual debates, which should be informative and revealing. |
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My only concern with the debates is that style wins over substance to some degree. I think McCain is at a huge disadvantage with regards to the standard debate format. IMO, when I watch Obama, he comes across really well. Conversely, McCain does not do that for most of us.
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Do you have a link to Bill Clinton�s speech? And to Obama�s? I would really like to watch and hear them. I�ve read the transcripts, and they�re excellent! But I would love to see them in their entirety. -- HeartPrayer |
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HP, the speeches are on youtube.com Just do a search for Bill Clinton or Barack Obama.
No comments on my critique of some of Clinton's points? Lots of spin in what he said. |
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Well put! AMH. And when you take into account the disadvantage of the last eight years� Republican policies, which McCain has by and large supported, I think the Democrats will win the debates on knock-out. |
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| <HeartPrayer>
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Thanks. I knew I could find them on YouTube, but the image resolution there is appalling. Is there a good alternative in higher res. and with good sound? I read your critique of Clinton�s speech. You probably won�t be getting more than short posts from me today and this weekend. I have to deal with two rather comprehensive things on the home front, and have a project due Monday. That will probably not give me the time to give you the thoughtful reply your post deserves. Cheers! |
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HP:
Don't read too much into the McCain voting record - pretty standard stuff to vote party lines - you know that! The biggest issue is the style side - Obama is just better at this. But if you are in a crtical thinking mode, it is more of the same old, same old...you either agree or disgree with where the liberal Dems are coming from: http://blog.beliefnet.com/crun...emocrats-change.html -------- BTW, HP - what did you think of the Democratic Platform article I posted on the other thread - I really wanted to hear your thoughts on that one in particular, because the Europeans have complained long and loud about this issue. |
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| <HeartPrayer>
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But McCain is continually portrayed as a maverick, as someone who pursues different policies from George W. Bush. Well, he isn�t and he doesn�t. McSame... |
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HP - As usual........Wrong, wrong, wrong..... via DIck Morris: The issues on which McCain and Bush differ are legion: * McCain fought for campaign finance reform -- McCain-Feingold -- that Bush resisted and ultimately signed because he had no choice. * McCain led the battle to restrict interrogation techniques of terror suspects and to ban torture. * McCain went with Joe Lieberman on a tough measure to curb climate change, something Bush denies is going on. * McCain opposed the Bush tax cuts when they passed. * McCain urged the Iraq surge, a posture Bush rejected for years before conceding its wisdom. * McCain favors FDA regulation of tobacco and sponsored legislation to that effect, a position all but a handful of Republican senators oppose. * McCain's energy bill, also with Lieberman, is a virtual blueprint for energy independence and development of alternate sources. * After the Enron scandal, McCain introduced sweeping reforms in corporate governance and legislation to guarantee pensions and prohibit golden parachutes for executives. Bush opposed McCain's changes and the watered-down Sarbanes-Oxley bill eventuated. * McCain has been harshly critical of congressional overspending, particularly of budgetary earmarks, a position Bush only lately adopted (after the Democrats took over Congress). Remember that McCain ran against Bush in 2000. |
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That's OK. And it wasn't a "thoughtful reply." It was a veritable rant! |
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| <HeartPrayer>
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Ahemm...! I wasn�t saying your post was thoughtful, but that your post deserved a thoughtful reply. |
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Re: The informative and revealing debates
--------------------------------------------------- Oh, they were. That was the problem for the Republicans. And it shows in the polls. Most importantly: in each of the four debates, it was apparent that Obama/Biden convinced undecided voters by a ratio of between 3:2 and 2:1. Granted, McCain had some fine moments, especially in the last debate ("that one" not being among them). And granted, Palin was not a bimbo, but a very capable and folksy deliverer of sound bites. A bit extreme yes -- but not a bimbo. (She plays well to the home crowd.) As the Democratic campaign knew, her debating record in Alaska proves that she�s a formidable debater. At the end of the day, and at the end of the campaign, it was Barack Obama and Joe Biden who convinced. |
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Hopefully, the country will not evaluate people on their rhetorical skills, but on the subtance of their proposals and their past records.
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